The Military in a new world

This assumption makes no sense at all. While it's possible that there maybe a minuscule number of people that want to undermine their own nation for some reason or another, it makes no sense for the rest of the dissenting voices to hold that view. I don't know anyone that wants there own country to fall apart. This is the same old tired argument that is always used to try and silence the dissenting voices by every administration since this country began. You can't silence your opposition with intimidation in a free society. As for bashing the current administration, there are a plethora of reasons to call this administration out that go well beyond undermining them just for the sake of undermining them. Not supporting your government’s policies is in no way equivalent to supporting the enemies and is even your patriot duty to do so if you feel your government is wrong. Again, the unpatriotic label is being used to silence the opposing view points and intimidate them into compliance. The truth usually ends the attempts at intimidation in the end.

 

That is why lingering is called defeat.

 

I oppose empire, In that regard I suppose that I am like Pat Buccanahan

 

So you saw the "ramification" of this prolonged fiasco in Iraq?
So you saw the "ramification" of religous extremest taking political control of Iraq?
So you saw the "ramification" of this war causing $3.00 gas prices?
If so, what are the ramifications of giving our ports to UAE?
what are the ramifications of giving India a free hand on nukes?

I propose that none of Bush's supporters or anyone in the admin knew the ramifications of going into Iraq and they still do not. If they knew the ramifications they would not have done it. COME ON, THEY SAID IT WOULD BE OVER IN A FEW MONTHS AND WE WOULD BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS!!!

I do not know what planet you are living on.

 

Keep in mind that the CIA gets mucho info from our universities.

 

This admin itself has acted as the enemy of the American people. Bush's loyalty is to the Saudi princes not the American people.

 

Time will tell, but I'm betting that you are wrong. encil: What you perceive as arrogance I perceive as astute observation, so we can agree to disagree about that one.

 

I don't get your reasoning.

 

I am more of an (neo) isolationist than probably anything else I could be described as besides a realist. But, I have never quite understood the US as an empire thing that so many non-USians seem to label us. I just don't see it and I don't think our actions have born out that label. Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, I have seen no indication ofthe US trying to keep them as a colony. In fact, I would say the opposite. I think we want to be rid of them as soon as possible.

 

It's kind of funny how they can always come up with a nice name for it, isn't it?

 

Some basic strategy.

 

Your response does not make sense for it is based upon a lie, a misinformed person or just a rant that is invalid and not thought out. For if what you say is true then the amendments to the Bill of Rights do not exist then. But they do. Here is a posting for those who do not believe that this nation has always allowed debate. There is a difference between those who want to improve and those who want to destory.

Later Amendments
Amendment 11 Lawsuits against states
Amendment 12 Presidential elections
Amendment 13 Abolition of slavery
Amendment 14 Civil rights
Amendment 15 Black suffrage
Amendment 16 Income taxes
Amendment 17 Senatorial elections
Amendment 18 Prohibition of liquor
Amendment 19 Women's suffrage
Amendment 20 Terms of office
Amendment 21 Repeal of Prohibition
Amendment 22 Term Limits for the Presidency
Amendment 23 Washington, D.C., suffrage
Amendment 24 Abolition of poll taxes
Amendment 25 Presidential succession
Amendment 26 18-year-old suffrage
Amendment 27 Congressional pay raises

 

For example....? specifically? Could you back this supposition up is some way?

I am just not following your "logic" here Andy.

Are you trying to say that our government doesn't practice and has never practiced repression of our constitutional right of free speech when they think they can get away with it? Somebody had better jump a plane to florida and flick those rose colored glasses off of your face. I'm beginning to think your real name is Pollyandy. :0

 

Andy if you are correct then why do they say "all enemies foriegn and domestic" I assure you that hippies are not the domestic enemies, our domestic enemies are the Nixons, Bushes, and Reagans.

 

Um you do not view the DC sniper as a domestic enemy. I know he was muslim and was practicing his faith but still it is against the law in this nation to take shots at Christians.

 

O.K. change wasn't the issue I was talking about anyway.

So people that are opposed to the status quo keep power by changing the status quo. Am I reading that right or not?

What original bill of rights? They were added later. And you're listing them for what reason? I genuinely don't understand where this is supposed to be going. If I'm just being stupid, could someone other than Andy explain where he is coming from? I feel like I am invloved in a conversation where one guy is deaf and the other is mute.

...Between Idealists and what?

...Between moralists and what?

...Between those that see a different perspective and what?

O.K this one is much closer to drawing a comparison but, the fact that there is a difference between those that disagree with our foreign policy and those (who ever they might be) that wish to destroy this nation was sort of my point to begin with.
The problem as I see it, is that too frequently anyone that expresses opposition to the administrations handling of foreign policy, as is our constitutional right, are somehow equated with the radicals that are actually trying to hurt this and other western countries. This practice is just a left-handed way for conservatives(in this case) to chill the debate that this country should be having. It's a well-practiced strategy here on CoinTalk as well. It just isn't very effective.

I'm going to have to bow to your greater knowledge on this subject.

 

That all depends on 'who' is on first!:whistle:

 

Why cant we all just get along.. I dont see what the big deal is about Iran. They want a nuclear bomb.. SO WHAT.... fly over and give them one.. Geez..............

 

LOL!!!
Right on Jim. Let's take advantage of all that sand and make some glass!