This board is decending into a hate forum

And militant VEGANS to boot (did I mention PETA and ACLU members).

 

Danr, Islam is a religion that enslaves its' women, allows no freedom of thought, and encourages the taking of land, raping, and killing of non-muslims. Now you might say this is hate and I would agree with you but everything I said is in the koran and is in practice around the world today.
Read the koran before you kill the messenger who is trying to wake up those who have their heads in the sand.

 

The treatment of women in Islam will be their downfall. If they continue to neglect their greatest resource (not oil) by not educating all of their girls they will be economically disadvantaged to the point of complete impotance. Oil will be nothing in a decade or two and they will not have the brainpower to exist in the world.
If you feel that they should treat women better you should write letters for Amnesty International.

 

Must be an older thread, I think I missed the "kill all Muslims" and "kill all gays" thread, but I haven't been visiting this forum that long I guess. Of course, if you don't like what you see here, you can always post your own response in rebuttal, or just not read the forum.

As for myself personally, I'm only in favor of killing the Muslims that want to kill us. Of course, if they can be convinced to quit trying to kill us, that would be the better option, but that hardly seems likely. I'm sure if we converted to an Islamic theocracy we could co-exist peacefully with the extremists, but speaking for myself, I'd rather hang on to my personal freedom even if it means the risk of some nutcase crashing a plane into a building I'm in.

As for gays... well I certainly have moral objections to their lifestyle, but it's their choice, not mine. I'd certainly offer my opinions on what moral choices people should make if they ask, but it's their choices. I beleive people should basically be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they don't harm others directly by doing so. Am annoyed by all the assertions from either side that "God hates gays" or those that claim such is official doctrine. Not a thelogian, but as I read the Bible it is pretty clear that God hates sin, not sinners. And no fair quoting the old law out of context.

Anyway, this forum seems somewhat entertaining, and informative on how others think. Not going to get much serious debate here, but oh well. At least you get good practice defending your opinions to a degree. I don't see it descending into a hate forum. An argument forum, yes, it already is. I don't see it ascending up to a serious debate forum, lol, but I don't see it get any worse than it already is. No matter what you believe, someone who beleives differently will post here, get used to that. Of course there wouldn't be much point to this forum at all if everyone who posted here believed the same way.

 

Check out Aidan for the anti gay stuff. Andy and Old Dan do the anti Muslim stuff (Bonedigger also)

 

You're forgetting Midas.

 

Problem with people hating so much, is often times I wonder that they have deep rooted personal issues, maybe lowly self image, insecure sexual thoughts, religious doubts etc, which propound notions of hatred against others.

So frankly whence people spew their vile effluences upon the group, for me at least they say rather nothing about that which they are alleged to have hatred against, and more towards that of a declining self imagery issue which needs hasty and due address.

 

...I'll admit it. I hate groups #1, #2 and #4. It has nothing to do with the reasons you outlined. Those groups for your understanding are:

1.) Those that want to subjugate and kill all infidels
2.) Those that want to subjugate and kill only the Jews (especially Israel)
3.) Those that want nothing to do with 1.) and 2.)
4.) Those that understand the actions of 1.) and 2.) and harbor, support, and protect these animals who willingly carry out 1.) and 2.)

They are OUR enemy. They want to detroy us. I hate them with the same passion as most people hated the nazis and japs from World War II. If I see them drowning, I will never throw them a line, I would rather get out the firehouse so they drown faster. Why? Because if you blink, they will try to kill you for salvation.

Now, having said that...I would bet my entire coin collection that there are multi-millions of people like me here in the states that "think" as I do, but are embarassed to admit it publically. Me...I don't care. I stand behind my convictions.

This is something that has come about from my first introduction into islamic terrorism as I watched the Munich Olympics as a 12 year old. The years that have pasted with islamic attack after islamic attack just reinforced what I suspected...that islam is the enemy of the civilized world and these people need to be dealt with. 9/11 was the final straw for me and I truly believe that if you don't deal with these people harshly, they will eveutally kill you. After all, it is the words in their Koran that they believe, follow, and act upon...all for salvation with allah. BTW...these animals indoctrinate their young so the jihad keeps alive!

 

Maybe but, you have to admit that you are engaging in arm-chair psychology. Or would it be keyboard psychology?

 

I believe that for the most part Americans are a pretty tolerant and live-and-let-live group of people. Your views can be pretty far out there whether you see it or not. You do make some good points but you always seem to refer back to your youth and the Muslim atrocities you viewed on T.V. I understand that it probably made an indelible impact on the rest of your life and brought you to where you are today but, I ask that you understand that the rest of us probably did not experience the "youthful trauma" that so influenced your attitude. Today, parents are counseled to not let their children view horrific events on T.V. due to the impressionability of young minds. I think that understanding has to go both ways. We will all be heard for who we are and what we really believe, not for who we are labeled as by others, if we stop and consider that our opinion isn't the only valid one out there.

 

I can understand that view point...I guess my boiling point is much lower than others. Just when my "fire" cools, another islamic terrorist attack makes my meter gauge see "red".

 

As it does to most of us.

 

I read and participate in a 'Debates' section on another coin forum and there are certainly a number of different 'world views' at odds there but a certain level of respect and a certain level of decorum is given and expected and required.

I read the CoinTalk Debates section purely for the entertainment value. (Ducking and running... )

 

No doubt! The problem in here as I see it is that people don't understand that they can disagree with each other and still have a civilized conversation. From what I've seen, most everything in here turns into finger pointing stupidity.

Non-specific Example:
"What John Doe fails to understand is...and everyone would be better off if he just shut up and stopped posting."

That's a lousy way to treat other people.

 

You know T-Core I understand what you are saying in terms of agreeing to disagree and I would go along with that on most things for I am part liberal, part conservative and mostly moderate like most middle income americans and on a personal level I could care less about the political party for I vote based upon the candidate. However, from personal experiences I have come to understand the islamic mind and I have studied history and see what is going on now and I see a threat greater then Hilter in world war ll for in world war ll the enemy was still an ocean away and in world war II the enemy did not own so much of America and using our own system against us. I truly believe that like the non-muslims in Africa, in Asia-Europe and North America are facing a convert or die future, which already reached its peak in most of the middle east which used to have alot more Christians then muslims.
But then like then we tend to turn the other cheek but beware for that is how one's throat is slashed.

 

Andy,

I agree with much of what you are saying about radical Islam. I'm not saying I disagree with many of your stances on certain issues. What I'm mostly trying to get at is that some of us here are pretty nasty to each other. We can disagree with each other, but still act civil to one another. If we lack a certain level of sophistication, restraint and self-moderation, then we are not much different than many of the peoples that get discussed on this board. We don't all need to get along, let's just be decent to each other.

 

I agree. I have seen problems such as name calling.

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I would also have to agree with your assessment of the forum. I think that discussions often spiral down into accusatory nonsense becasue of the unequal sophistication and knowledge of posters. It usually boils down to fact and opinion versus unsupported opinions. I am absolutely convinced that a few folks around here participate in the threads simply to bait and hassle others. They know the buttons and push them every day. What I am really curious about is why some of our most knowledgeable and insightful posters bite every time.

If I think someone consistently has little or nothing to contribute to the discussion other than trite unsupported opinions, I place them on my "ignore list". I don't need the hassle, and I am seldom stressed by others.

I routinely talk to people, dogs, and cats in gentle tones, but I never talk to spiders, appliances, dirt clods, and lichen. Does that make any sense?

 

As long as they don't talk back your alright!!!!! Well people can but the others then start worrying...

 

T-Core and WhisperTech
Well I have changed my mind on various social issues over time but then again times and needs also change but I would say that my mind could be open on social issues with someone who speaks with facts or with heart but like most people my ears shut down to rants and raves. It is funny how this is all in type but some feel the need to yell.
and if I ever did as well then well...I defeated myself by doing so.