Told you so...

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Midas, May 22, 2007.

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  1. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    And all that changes the percentage figures how? You throw these figures round as though they are gospel then when challenged on them accuse people of been PC
    How many people supported the IRA terror attacks on Britain? How many Support the Shining Path in Peru, how many supported the Greek EOKA terroristsin Cyprus and those on the mainland during there Civil war, how many Supported Irgun and the Stern Gang, how many supported the Sandinistas or the Contras? how many supporte the Basques? or the Spanish home grown Maoist GRAPO, How about the Sikh Panjwar faction of the KCF or FARC & ELN in Columbia

    June 30, 1988
    A Greek terrorist organization blamed for previous assassinations of American diplomats claimed responsibility today for a car bombing that killed the United States military attache Capt. William Nordeen as he drove to work.

    Should we therfore call all Greeks Animals? and condem there religion as well, should we do the same with the Irish terrorists who proclaim themsels as GOOD Catholics, or the Protestants who kill Catholics in the name of God?
     
  2. Midas

    Midas New Member

    OMG...you found ONE non-muslim terrorist...and that was over 20 years ago! Do you know how many muslim terrorist attacks (resulting in a death) have occured since 9/11 alone?...over 12,000!!

    BTW...I bet he didn't yell out "Jesus is Great" before he blew himself up.

    Wait, I am sorry...only muslim animals do that for that for their allah.

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    See how these muslim animals are breeding another generation of this cancer? Well...for 1,400 years they have been doing this!
     
  3. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Again you just dont get it do you LOL Terrorism is not just a muslim preserve the Christians are quite good at it as well :D Nor do you answere direct questions because you cant. I asked you if every muslim in America had been canversed for there opinion and I am still waiting for a answer (Not that I expect you to give one) How big was the sample taken 1% of the muslim population of America? 5%? 10%? 15%?
    You commented on 1% of christians or jews supporting some form of Terrorism well just look at the organizations I listed (and that was not a full list).
    You also harp on about the lack of response from the muslim world yet fail dismaly to mention the number of attacks carried out by these fanatics on Muslim Goverments and Civillians, Oh I forgot they are now good muslims cus they are dead and dont count.
    I even gave you a link to the British Council of Muslims condemnation of terrorist attacks but nah that dont count either as it invalidates your argument LOL
    Lets be honest here you dont like or want to hear a single thing that disproves your hatred of Muslims, it seems to be the only thing in life that you love with a passion :D
    I will say it again you would have made a good Facist as all you can advocate as a solution to the problems is GENOCIDE
     
  4. Midas

    Midas New Member

    The sure facts and the sure vast numbers of islamic terrorist events far outweigh your single Greek terrorist act that took place 20 years ago...and remember, "true" muslims (those that follow the koran and the life and misdeeds of mohammad) do in fact want nothing at all from infidels and yes, "not-muslim-enough" muslims.

    Look...I cited a scientific poll by the Pew Research (not your neo-whatever group by any means). Their findings speak volumes. I also pointed out that if Christians of Jews polled had similiar results, the main stream media would have been reporting and condemning these very results! But wait...do we want to offend muslims? I hope we do! I hope we offend those that follow islamic and sharia laws over the freedoms granted here in the Unted States.

    Please don't be naive...just because the British Coucil of muslims condemn terrorist attacks (on televsion, in public) doesn't mean squat. Look at their actions (or reather lack of) because it has been proven that many of these muslim groups (i.e., CAIR in the United States) directly and indirectly support islamic terrorism!

    BTW...Check out these British muslim animals...there is that word 'SLAY' again...right from the koran itself!!

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    If a muslim cleric goes on CNN condemining terrorism, I would rather judge him (and his cult) by his actions first, never his words because history has paid dearly for trusting muslims who made "peace" agreements. This is a tactic in arabic called "hudna" which is to make peace with your enemies, for a short time, until you come back stronger and well equipped. Even the terrorist mohammad employed this tactic and 1,400 years later, "true" muslims have implemented this form of jihad to fight against infidels.

    As for muslim terrorist groups HERE in the United States where I hope our government are watching these animals as they hide behind our 1st Amendment Rights:

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    Told you so!
     
  5. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    OK so they act and denounce terrorists which you have harped on about them not doing, but NO that is not good enough for you. Do I hear a single word of condemnation from you about the IRA or the Basques again a resounding NO OH I forgot they are not MUSLIMS LOL Or how about FARC in Columbia again a deathly silence and after all they only help to kill your countrymen with Nose Candy but hey most of those are not the sort you care about so thats ok too. You realy dont like been challenged do you. again I dont see a word in support of those Muslims who have been KILLED fighting these lunatics, Oh of course I forgot they are only Muslims so dont count in the great scheme of things.
    Who actualy carried out the poll is irelevant the size of the survay group is not.
     
  6. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    And I forgot to mention that a couple of years ago Columbian anti terror forces helped prevent a plot to assasinate President Bush on a visit he had planned but of course that dont count as the plotters were not Muslims so not a problem.
     
  7. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Sure I support "not-muslim-enough" muslims who fight and denounce all of the hate in their koran, the life and misdeeds of mohammad, and the terrorist history of their religion.

    I also support those German civilians (and the likes of them) who fought against the Nazis's in Word War II as well.

    But for every one of these people, there are thousands more than simply stick their head in the sand an pretend that islam is not a violent, anti-freedom religion. Their actions, and lack of, speak VOLUMNES...just like those Germans at the end of WWII who told our troops, "But, we are not Nazis's!" Yeah...sure

    I guess you can make the statement that not all terrorists are muslim (i.e., the IRA as you pointed out saying, "See!...see!...see!...not all terrorists are muslim!"), But I would bet that over 95% of the world's terrorist activity are because of "true" muslims that are simply following all of the hate (100's of passages) in the koran, the life of mohammad, and their consistant history of violence.

    Here is small sample of this islamic cancer that took place over the last 30 days alone...

    NOTE: I didn't have to go back 20 years to find a Greek terrorist! [oh...this is too easy! :) ]

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    Earlier this month, two islamic clerics of a "world" religion were accidentally killed (yeah!!!) while assembling a bomb inside their house of worship. We won’t tell you which religion, but let’s just say that absolutely no one was surprised.
     
  8. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    LOL you realy are so predictable it is sad realy :D
     
  9. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    I believe that you somehow forgot this part of the report Midas :D

    You can read about it here, including the bits I left out LOL

    http://people-press.org/report/?reportid=329

    Key findings include:

    Overall, Muslim Americans have a generally positive view of the larger society. Most say their communities are excellent or good places to live.
    A large majority of Muslim Americans believe that hard work pays off in this society. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the U.S. can make it if they are willing to work hard.
    The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.
    Roughly two-thirds (65%) of adult Muslims in the U.S. were born elsewhere. A relatively large proportion of Muslim immigrants are from Arab countries, but many also come from Pakistan and other South Asian countries. Among native-born Muslims, roughly half are African American (20% of U.S. Muslims overall), many of whom are converts to Islam.
    Based on data from this survey, along with available Census Bureau data on immigrants' nativity and nationality, the Pew Research Center estimates the total population of Muslims in the United States at 2.35 million.
    Muslim Americans reject Islamic extremism by larger margins than do Muslim minorities in Western European countries
     
  10. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    without doubt, I have yet to meet an american muslim who I would call an extremist and unlike midas, I know MANY, lived with, ate with, worked with, traveled with, debated with them...friends. Most came here to make money and try their best to fit in. My father in law voted for Bush for god sakes...he respects others beliefs and even got angry with his own daughter for saying Jesus Christ was just a man...as it showed disrespect to christians which is wrong.

    Midas cant understand why people do not hate and want to murder all muslims with him I know...and if you dont want to murder muslims then you are an appeaser...but he doesnt understand that, replace muslim with jew in his rants calling them animals, subhuman, etc... and he sounds just like the thing he most hates...its irony and I dont mean its made of iron midas...Its also Ironic that many of his shock photos are showing adult indocrinating their children into this way of thinking, something that was probably done to them and those who came before them...

    Mainly he doesnt get that he is not teaching us anything new...we all know there is a problem in the middle east and with the way some follow islam (or are taught to follow islam)...we get it, there are more islamic terrorists in this world than any other, we get it that they are bad people (or duped and uneducated), we know its a problem...we get it...
     
  11. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Oh goody...I feel so "warm and fuzzy" that 75% of young American muslims do not support suicide bombings when "only" 25% of young American muslims do in fact support bombings....HERE in this country!!

    I feel so "warm and fuzzy" that "only" 5% of American muslims (117,000 muslim animals) openly support islamic terrorism whereas "only" 25% feel "uncomfortable" answering this simple question if they support islamic terrorism or not! Unbelievable you would defend this!

    You may need see no danger into these numbers from AMERICAN muslims, but remember...if you look at the German people's attitudes about the Nazis's who took over their country before WWII, there were FAR LESS people that supported the Nazis's in Germany than the percentage of "true" muslims in the world of islam!!

    Since you referenced British muslims and how much they are against islamic terrorism...let's take a look at the latest trends coming from England (surely, not a whacked islamic country like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia)...

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    By Patrick Sawer Last Updated: 1:00AM BST 27 Jul 2008 C/O The Telegraph from UK

    "A survey found that extreme Islamist ideology has a profound influence on a significant minority of Muslims on campuses across the country.

    These findings will concern police chiefs, the security services, and ministers, who are struggling with radicalisation among our Muslim communities.

    [Source - - The YouGov polled at 12 universities throughout the U.K., including Imperial College and Kings College of London.]
    It found:

    - - A third, 1 in 3 British Muslims, believe that killing someone in the name of their religion is justified.
    - - 40 per cent support the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims
    - - a third back the notion of a worldwide Islamic caliphate (state) based on sharia law
    - - 40 per feel it is unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely
    - - 24 per cent do not think men and women are equal in the eyes of Allah
    - - 25 per cent a have little or no respect for homosexuals.

    Although 53% said that killing in the name of religion was never justified, compared with 94 per cent of non-Muslims, 33 per cent of British Muslims said that it was.

    The report's authors found that Islamic societies on campus, operating under the umbrella of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies, exert a strong influence on many of Britain's 90,000 Muslim students. A quarter of them belong to Islamic societies and their views are often more extreme.

    The authors of the report, "Islam on Campus", lay much of the blame for extremism among Muslim students on the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which seeks to build a worldwide Islamic state.

    YouGov polled 600 Muslim students and 800 non-Muslim students at universities with a high number of Muslims.

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    So go ahead and feel "warm and cozy" about these muslim animals who are breeding and raising another generation of jihadists to follow the koran, to follow their prophet, and to follow their consistant history of fighjting. They will never bother you...they will never kill for islam, right? Damn, this is so easy...

    Told you so!
     
  12. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    So they took a poll of 1400 muslims, how many muslims do you think live in this country? LOL man you realy are stretching and you still dont get it do you :D
    Students have allways been a hot bed for radical thought were do you think most of the terrorists in the 70's came from? they were not disafected youngsters from poor backgrounds oh no they were students from comy backgrounds who decided they wanted to change the world, then it was comunism that attracted them now for some it is islam, nothing new nothing changes.
     
  13. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Ahhhh, don't worry about "true" muslims and those that follow the koran and life of mohammad...you are sooooo right, feel better??

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  14. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    Nobody is putting their head in the sand...nobody here is saying there isnt a problem with muslim extremists and doesnt think they need to be dealt with...I do not for one minute think you are so stupid that you dont understand what you are doing and why its wrong....that why it is so wrong...you knowingly advocate genocide...knowing that the whole muslim population does NOT and NEVER WILL do any of these things...the lions share. You are a broken record, he is on an infinite loop...each post is the same, you only need to read one to realize talking sense wont accomplish anything as he isnt discussing anything, he is just trying to teach you...One good thing about it is, with a few exceptions...he keeps it mostly in one thread.

    I remember when it was even worse and he would go into threads that had nothing at all to do with islam, like the thread I posted about Percy Julian (couldnt be further from the subject)...and start ranting about it...saying that what I was doing was an attampt at diverting the only real issue which is the muslim animal...Its good he has this thread or he would would hijack every thread with this awful display of genocidal rhetoric.

    the other day I saw a little muslim girl on video calling jews pigs, the first thing I thought of was Midas and how they sound so similar in their views. What was so funny was Midas would have seen this little girl as a problem because of what she was saying yet she was saying the EXACT SAME THING he says on a daily basis...just replace jew with muslim and their statements were exactly the same...he either doesnt realize this or he realizes the irony and just doesnt care...
     
  15. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    I bet he is fun at parties :)

    host: 'Hey Midas...you enjoying the party?'

    midas: 'I wish I COULD enjoy the party but how can one enjoy a party when the true muslim animals (he pulls out his visual aids with scary muslims doing scary things) are looking to destroy the US...these subhumans are ALL guilty of (lists different terror acts ad nauseum)...they should all be killed'

    Host: 'Uh....yeah...good luck with that...I think I hear my wife calling me...'
     
  16. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    LOL you are quite right Dru :D
     
  17. Midas

    Midas New Member

    I identified the REASONS why these people act like animals. You can find the CAUSE of their actions in the koran, the life of mohammad, and the history of islam itself. It is all part of cause & effect. The koran instructs their followers to fight and guess what? These animals then fight and cause hell on earth.

    Winston Churchill repeatedly sounded the alarm about the Nazis's before WWII and was ridiculed for it. He knew something about evil when it was evident as Islam. He had this to say about "true" muslims and those that follow this religion.:

    "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

    A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.

    No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

    -- Sir Winston Spencer Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
     
  18. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Yep Rome fell but that might also have something to do with it overxtending itself and having a few to many civil wars but of course that was the fault of the Muslims :D
     
  19. Midas

    Midas New Member

    A little history lesson...Rome fell hundreds of years before mohammad wandered out of his cave and then told his employer/lover, "Hey...I just spoke to allah," whereby she told him to go tell others...and hence the birth of this terrible religion.
     
  20. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Oh no It Was the Nassty Muslims that DID IT :D
     
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