Told you so...

SO now you ADMIT that you are a TRUE MUSLIM after all you used the TERM and SQUEALER and STATE that is what a TRUE MUSLIM WOULD CALL HIM

 

Just to be sure...I went back and read over my last post(s) and I believe I was clear...because your last post was again focused on my descriptions over the news at hand.

You wrote that I admit I am a "true" muslim?? Good one!

Anyways...

BTW...if you are delayed boarding your flight because of new and additional security measures...you can BLAME the religion of Islam for this madness!

Shoes have to be removed because of Islamic terrorists...

No fluids over 3 ounces all because of Islamic terrorists...

Now...full body scans because muslims are packing explosives in their under garments!!



Told you so!

 

So very, very TRUE!!



Told you so!

 

That's funny. Reminds me of the noise the right makes now after covering for their criminal appointee for near a decade.

 

And yet again you side step the issue of you calling a Man who's warning if it had been acted upon and HEEDED WEEKS AGO would have prevented this happening a SQUEALER YOUR WORDS NOT MINE


YES A MUSLIM GAVE ADVANCE WARNING THAT HIS SON WAS GOING TO DO THIS AND YET YOU DEGRADE HIM BY CALLING HIM A SQUEALER!!!

 

Well, you know what they call the the tea baggers don't you? The American Taliban. 1) Use religion and patriotism to recruit, 2) Spread fear and lies, 3) Attack education and intellectuals, 4) Use mindless talking heads and propaganda to coerce the stupid, 5) Find an enemy and blow their influence out of proportion. I've suddenly forgot whether I'm talking about the Right wing in this country or the Taliban or possibly Hitler. Dang it's hard to keep them straight.

 

When you can't win in the arena of logic and rational...it is so typical for liberals, especially muslim apologists, to then try to equate something like the Taliban with "tea baggers". Unbelieveable!

When you attempt to force a liberal into a point-counterpoint argument, Moen's retorts will bear no relation to what you've said -- unless you were in fact talking about your looks, your age, your weight, your personal obsessions, or whether you are a fascist, Nazi or tea bagger!! It is a typical liberal two-step by leaping from one idiotic point to the next with only one purpose so that you can never nail them. Unfortunately, It's like having a discussion with someone with attention deficit disorder (ADD).

Now...back to the discussion...

As for the muslim terrorist's father that alerted authorities about his radical actions, as stated...I applaud his actions but make no mistake...this man is now considered a "squealer" or a "rat" in the muslim world and muslims treat all apostrates very harshly! But go ahead and focus on terms like "squealer" while ignoring the real madness gripping the world...especially in Steve's country.

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Again...take a step back and ask yourself this simple question...

Can a good and "true" Muslim be a good American?

Theologically - no. Because a muslim's allegiance is to their allah and is above all things and all government.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by muslims except Islam. You are either with islam or against it.

Scripturally - no. Because a true muslim's allegiance is to the five pillars of islam and the koran.

Geographically - no. Because a true muslim's allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day and for the most part, mumbles mind controlling prayers in arabic that most can't even understand.

Socially - no. Because a true muslim's allegiance to islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews (as per the koran and numerous "holy" muslim texts).

Politically - no. Because a muslim must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because a muslim man is instructed to marry four women (to spread the islamic cancer with countless children) and beat and scourge his wife(s) when she/they disobey him (per koran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. Because a true muslim cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, muhammad, and the koran do not
allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot
co-exist. Face the facts...every muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. There has been and will never be a majority of muslims living under a democracy with freedom of expression and press.

Spiritually - no. Even when we in America declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the koran's 99 excellent names.

So it is easy to conclude and after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.

They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and freedom loving Americans.

Told you so!

 

The hilarious belief in your own "logic" is what tickles me most and I think what you really mean is rationale. You label, you generalize, you stereotype, and then call it logic. I have watched you do the same thing for years and I have no interest in indulging your unquenchable need to have people look at you. I'm just grateful that I don't have to know you outside of this forum because you are seriously disturbed. Your ex-wife probably figured this out a long time ago. (not a cheap shot, just a reality check)

In some ways I feel sorry for you but at the same time it is hard to have too much pity for one that creates his own misery. You reap what you sew. You represent the extreme element of the Right wingers in this country no different from the extreme elements of the other cultures that you rail against. Same personality, different cultural reality. I seriously doubt that you'll ever let go of your anger because you have found something that you can attach it to and justify its existence, when in reality, the anger itself is the real problem. Keep slaying those windmills Don Quixote. I am not one who will look at you or take you seriously so all you can do is dismiss me. I'm good with that.

P.S. Yeah I know, "TYPICAL"

 

Well...instead of answering simple questions if a "true" muslim can possibly be a freedom-loving-American, you bring up my ex-wife of 11 years ago. Interesting tactic. You even have the nerve to dismiss it and NOT call it a cheap shot. Interesting that if somebody asks direct questions, they are then labeled as a Nazis. Gee...I never knew any "tea-baggers" gassing any Jews or even mentioning it...but I guess it is all part of the A.D.D. two-step.

BTW...I have been happily remarried for the last 4 plus years to a wonderful woman. My ex, BTW, became a "re-born" during the latter part of our marriage and I couldn't live with that life style, so hence the reason for our divorce. She is also remarried to a 'reborn' and happy too. The world from our stand point is good. I am going against my own advice here which is to, "...never offer an explanation, your freinds don't need one and your enemies will never believe it anyway." But...what the hell.

I'll try again to make this simple for you...do you really believe that "true" islam and American liberties can possibly go hand in hand? Remember...actions speak louder than words.

Good luck! Now...back to the discussion.

 

"True Islam" is a subjective term with no real way of making a comparison to what you or someone else would consider "American liberties". You top that off by asking if they can go hand-in-hand which of course can also be interpreted in any number of ways. Then you try to pad the response you receive with, "Remember...actions speak louder than words."

Logic is just a little more "pure" than the type of questions you ask and wouldn't contain all of the assumptions and biases that you imbue your arguments with. Let me give you a hand.

Do I believe that someone that practices some form of Islam and is a Muslim can live within the framework of American society? Yes! I know because I know several that do exactly that. They are not animals or violent or blood-thirsty homicidal maniacs but rather peaceful, kind, intelligent people being victimized first by those that try to use Islam to as a weapon and secondly by those that paint all Muslims as terrorists like, oh say, YOU!

Terrorism is a tool used by a tiny group of fanatics to force their ideology on others just as Islam is a recruiting tool used by this tiny group of fanatics to persuade frustrated kids to commit acts of violence. Islam is not the problem, those using it for evil purposes are the problem. A distinction you can't seem to make.

 

Regardless of what anyone else might call the man, I ask again why did YOU label him a SQUEALER???
Just please simply answer that, WHY DID YOU CALL HIM THAT???
Now how hard can that be for you to answer?? No rhetoric about what others might say No rhetoric about Islam
Just a simple reason as to why you called this brave man such a demeaning name?

 

(Sigh)...Asked and answered in post #560.

Be honest with yourself...you really don't think that other "true" muslims are happy with one muslim turning on another...son/father or not?

Told you before...I applaud his actions, but make no mistake...apostrates in islam are dealt with extreme measures, hence the reasons why muslims like a good beheading...because the koran calls for it.

Be honest with yourself. Do you not beleive a fundamental or "true" Muslim is something that needs to be addressed? Their history tells us those that follow islam follow the life of muhammed. With that...what you find is a life of vengeance, war, and lots of sex and thievery AGAINST those that do not buy into this madness. BTW...that is us...we are the infidels.

Now, with that...those that follow the koran and life and deeds of muhammad are in fact "good" muslims and those that don't are not.

Good muslims are NOT allowed to pick and choose the writings in the koran that call for death of infidels and wife beating. The koran to "good" muslims is absolute and yes...even muhammad himself abrugated any earlier peaceful verses found in the koran with his life of warfare and rape.

Put it all together and you can see why Islam grants these animals a license to commit terror acts against all that we deem civilized.

Ask any muslim if they denounce all of the hate (100's of passages...not just one or two) in the koran. Ask any muslim to denounce muhammad's forced marriage to a 6 year old (while he was in his 50's!). If they do...then they are NOT a good muslim and hence the reason why other islamic animals are gunning for them too!

You make it sound like I make this up...Told you so!

 

Let's take an example of what Muslim children learn in a mainstream school in say Saudi Arabia (supposedly, a US and India ally) these are direct quotes from current textbooks:

Grade One: " Every religion other than Islam is false."

Grade Four; "True belief means . . . that you hate the polytheists and infidels but do not treat them unjustly."

Grade Five: "It is forbidden for a Muslim to be a loyal friend to someone who does not believe in God and His Prophet, or someone who fights the religion of Islam."

Grade Six; "Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere endeavor to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will the Arabs and Muslims emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God, for this is within God's power."

Grade Eight: "As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus."

Grade Nine "It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour [of judgment]."

Grade Twelve: "Jihad in the path of God -- which consists of battling against unbelief, oppression, injustice, and those who perpetrate it -- is the summit of Islam. This religion arose through jihad and through jihad was its banner raised high. It is one of the noblest acts, which brings one closer to God, and one of the most magnificent acts of obedience to God."

Keep in mind this is from the textbooks of our supposed ally and friend Saudi Arabia this is not a madrassa, this is mainstream, so we can only imagine what a Madrassa is teaching.



You have to look at the result and the future of this heinous "religion". It is in quotes because Islam should be not viewed as a religion, it is a scourge and blight on mankind as it is being taught.

Told you so!

You just can't make this up...Islam IS what it IS!

 

As for the father that squealed to the FBI about his son,

Your words post #550 not a word of praise simply calling the man a Squealer

You cant answer a simple question without resoting to Rhetoric can you! so dont give us the B/S that You Applaud the man.

That was 10 posts before you grudgenly gave him a faint hint of praise.
It realy must have grated with you that a Muslim would go to such extreems to try to save Western lives as to inform the authorities of the possible actions of his own son.

 

As you get your panties in a bind and lose focus because of the word,"squealer" or apostrate of islam...the jihad cancer continues.

And I see that it doesn't bother you what muslim children are taught from day ONE.

Terror (Muslim) suspect was student in Houston

Islamic institute has metro Detroit branch

BY BILL LAITNER

The man charged with the Christmas bombing attempt of an airliner headed for Detroit took classes at an Islamic institute in Houston that has a branch in metro Detroit, an institute leader said Wednesday.

Nigerian defendant Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, in federal custody in Milan, attended classes in 2008 in Houston at the AlMaghrib Institute, said institute Vice President Waleed Basyouni.

The institute's Web site shows 14 sites in North America, including one listed as "Dearborn/Windsor," and says it is a nonprofit with thousands of students -- mostly from the United States -- that teaches about Islam in depth. Abdulmutallab attended while in Houston on Aug. 1-17, 2008, paying $2,250 for seminars on Islamic manners and history, Basyouni said.

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If "true" muslims attempt to live their life like their founding terrorist/pedophile prophet, madness will insue. ACTIONS...look at these people's ACTIONS as well as their INACTIONS coming from the "not-muslim-enough" muslim community.

Told you so!

 

Just to be clear and yes, I ask people like Moen to attempt to use logic and rational in this discussion...

Islam is not a race. Islam has nothing at all to do with genetics. It is an ideology – a warped set of beliefs about individual behavior and the rules of society.

Therefore criticizing islam is not racism even though muslim apologists try associate even a "teabagger" as nothinhg more than a racist. Fess up...there is no such thing as "anti-Muslim racism" any more than it makes sense to pretend that there is "anti-Christian racism," "anti-Methodist racism," or "anti-Capitalist racism."

So why would anyone claim differently?

It is because the battle over islam is today being fought in the West, the only arena in which this or any religion can still be critically debated. Do you really think we could debate this topic in countries like Saudi Arabia...or any country dominated by islam? Come on...Be honest with yourself.

It is also here in this forum that repugnance toward racism is strong and nearly universal. Shoot...when you throw around the "R" word as Moen well knows, and if he and other islamic apologists can successfully paint me as “racist,” then the battle for public opinion is all but decided. From all ends of politics to even today's health care debate, fear of the race card is one of the strongest influences on public policy. Am I wrong Moen? It is people like you that if when one even criticizes the president's agenda, well then...that person must be a racist.

At the same time, you have to admit, it is nearly impossible to defend Islam in its own right - which is why muslim societies usually rely on threat of violence to suppress intellectual critique of their beloved islam and the freedom of other religion to fairly compete. Go ahead and try wearing a Cross or Star of David in Mecca and watch what happens if you don't believe me.

Now...I have documented this madness with islam's own history and writings. According to its own texts, islam in fact was founded in terror, and its political and social code is deeply incompatible with Western Moen's values. You can see that frustrated advocates of islam’s spread are therefore prone to taking the crude and easy path of trying to squash any debate I bring forth by mislabeling criticism of this religion as racism.

If Muslims are a race because of Islam, then it means that Islam is a racial ideology. What this ideology has to say about its own and other “races” therefore becomes a very important question.

In fact, the koran places an enormous qualitative distinction between muslims and non-nuslims that is hard to miss. Believers are loved by God, whereas infidels are hated to the extent that they are tortured for eternity merely for not believing. Muslims are told to shun unbelievers, who are called “helpers of evil”, “wicked”, “fond of lies” and compared to the worst of animals. Members of islam are told to be merciful to each other, but ruthless to those outside of the faith. Violence is also sanctioned against those who are obstinate against Islamic rule. Yes...all of these claims are found in the koran for all to read!

So, if muslims are a race, Islam would not only be a racist ideology, but arguably the most hateful and destructive in history. ​

It is bad enough that hundreds of millions of people have been killed in the last fourteen centuries by divinely sanctioned Jihad and slavery, but to retroactively supplant the stated motive of religious supremacy with that of racial superiority is hardly a step in the right direction for a religion seeking the acceptance of an increasingly skeptical audience.

Hope you are skeptical and really look why we must fight this madness.​

 

My God...you DO work for Fox. March on Midas...the right is very proud to call you one of theirs. WOOF! WOOF!

 

Yet when a Muslim dares to give up his own son in what most people would consider a true act of decency what do you do?? Well you Deride the guy, not a word of thanks until you are forced to admit what he did was right and correct (10 Posts Later).
No big RED LETTERS
Proclaiming Oooo Look A Good Muslim Hell no just more rhetoric of hatred.
Happy New Year Midas

 

I do commend the parents for reporting that. A rare event for any parent to report their child in something like that.

And yet, the report wasn't acted even upon properly by our ever amazing government. A parent reports their kid as being radicalized and it doesn't raise enough flags to get him on a no fly list? Amazing.

 

Well DeOrc, put yourself in Midas' head for a moment. (I know it's scary).

In Midas' defense he did say it was a decent thing to do. However, as I understand Midas (and please correct me if I'm wrong Midas) how do we even know if the father is "moderate"? For all we know he "sacrificed" his son and perhaps even himself with more nefarious plans in mind.
It could all be a clever ruse, a smokescreen and how would we know?

Therefore the only "logical" solution to the overall problem is a total worldwide cleansing of anything Muslim isn't it?
The benefits would be amazing if this were accomplished. A DROP in worldwide population would be nice and then world Peace would break out.

All remaining religions would live in peace and harmony. Everything would be just swell wouldn't it?

Somehow I doubt it but it would be a start.