Uh oh. Many of Us May Be In Trouble

Have to watch what you say, or Achmed is gonna sue you.

 

How many Muhammads does it take to change a lightbulb?

Muhammad was a liberal.

 

Considering that many muslim schools teach that western people are Devils and they even have cartoons and other shows saying the same thing for young entertainment, I find it difficult to entertain any sympathy for their complaint about things like this.

Maybe we should start suing them for their lies.

 

Appears we chose to kill them instead..

 

Look Wez, I am trying to ignore your wacko junk as much as possible to keep the peace around here so I would appreciate it if you would keep your America hatred to yourself.

The muslims have been killing innocent western people far longer and on a more regular pace than westerners. If you take the time to learn about things you would see how America gave Afganistan the ability to defend themselves against the Russians and then these same people show their appreciation by doing things like cutting off the heads of news people (who mostly agree and support them) killing children, killing any innocent they can find for the fear factor, doing attacks like 9/11, ...........


Yes, there is killing on both sides, but it is not the act that is important, it is the motivations behind the attack that matter. We are tageting real attackers while their favorite victims are children and other innocents, these two things are worlds apart on intent, and if your incapable of seeing how intentions are different and changes things, there is no hope for you.

 

Hahahahahaha... Yep, war and killing will certainly work this time. 2000 years of history will finally be proven wrong.


What are our motivations?

By the way, did you watch that vid yet? Were Panamanians killing innocent children too?

 

Clinton completely ignored them and was the most popular American President in all of the muslim world, and we got 9/11 as a reward for keeping our hands in our pockets, maybe you liked being hit on 9/11, your always so against everything American, were you one of the kids dancing in the streets after the attack Wez?

9/11 is what we get for refusing to stand up to agression.

 

Is it possible that 9/11 is what we get for being aggressive while trying to act like passive, innocent victims? We have had a military presence over there since at least the 1950's.. And no, 9/11 didn't make me happy TJ. Were you one of those cheering at the bombs falling in Baghdad?


Is it possible that they are actually the ones standing up to aggression?


Did you watch that vid yet?

 

No it is not possible, we did nothing but help in places like Afganistan, hell prior to the attack on 9/11, did you know America provided most of the edible food to that Country? We help them fight odd Russia, we make it possible for them to eat, but they want us all dead, that is the mentality we are fighting.


Thanks for reminding me why everyone sees you as an idiot, I won't reply to you on this topic again so feel free to post more anti-american "we deserved 9/11 garbage" without me getting in your way.

 

Why have we had a military presence over there for 60+ years? We don't need guns to deliver food so we can look like world saviors/heros. No one is fooled anymore.. Why haven't they had one soldier over here, ever? Role reversal is fun, to a point.

Osama helped them fight the Russians too, did he not? We trained him and gave him weapons.. we should know.


How did we find ourselves as the innocent victims/targets of these people?


You are aware Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.. right? Not one Iraqi hijacker I don't think. They were from our buddies place.. Saudi Arabia.

Did you watch that Panama vid yet?

 

Here's TJ's debate skills..... Got this pm from him moments ago...

 

A true conservative's view of our foreign policy over the last century:

Excerpts from:

A Republic, Not an Empire
by Patrick J. Buchanan

March 25, 2000

 

You can't defeat Islam. What must be defeated is radical Islam. We can best do this by giving encouragement to the moderates in the Islamic world and stop feeding the radicals propaganda machine by having troops throughout the ME. We can best maintain security at home with restrictive immigration policies and finding new technologies and conserving to reduce our demand for foreign oil.

 

Another excellent article from a true patriot teach..

 

I pretty much agree with that whole quote, even though I don't always agree with Pat Buchanan.

Although I vehemently denounce terrorism and acts of bombing and especially 9/11, I too feel that the US has had horrible foreign policies since at least WWII.

On too many occasions our foreign policies have been responsible for the overthrow or determination of the governments of many nations that were dictated by force, where diplomacy should have or could have been used.

Too many occasions of the supposed support of the rebel against a tyrannical foreign invader, like Afganistan, but when the USSR left Afganistan, we left the crippled nation, without a governmental structure, and was pretty much in chaos, and dumped them on the curb like a used up hooker who didn't matter any more. It's pretty much determined that is what led to the rise of the Taliban there, after a bloody civil war to obtain power.

That is the lesson that we must learn from in Iraq. Do I truly believe that we should have invaded Iraq, and destroyed the government in place? No, but that is were we are now. To just up and leave Iraq until it can get a functional government (decided by the Iraqi people, not what the US decides their government should be) and infrastructure, we will be left to repeat the failures of Afganistan.

The US needs to quit thinking they are the ones who should tell the world how things should be, in other soveriegn nations, according to our model of democracy. Our form of government doesn't work everywhere. People and cultures are different. Hell, in the middle east, many of the people remember and talk about the crusades as if they happened ten years ago, not hundreds of years ago, and they still fear the west/christians are going to attempt another crusade, and our occupation of Iraq, support of Israel, bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait doesn't do anything to take away this fear.

With that said, I love the US, I just can't say the same for the execution of power and foreign policy for the last half century or more.

 

Very well said IWS..

 

Let's talk about Tim McVie TJ... Gulf war veteran.. terrorist.. What happened there?


By the way, don't ever PM me again. You got something to say to me, do it in public. Or ignore feature me as you were told.

 

That was mostly done By Bill Clinton and we got 9/11 as our reward for backing off and just letting things unfold. Clinton basically gave our military to the UN and begged their permission to do 99% of everything we did. More than 90% of our CIA actions were scrapped and ordered to end by Bill as well. We ignored several open attacks on American interests and tried to directly make peace with the radicals.


After we told the world we will do as we please and displayed a little muscle, for some reason we have not had any attacks.

This is real basic logic, we show ourselves to be whips like Bill Clinton and we invite ourselves to be attacked in more and more horrible ways. We show ourselves willing to kick some behind and the radicals start looking for easier targets.

We can't "love" our way out of problems, look at how many times France has been defeated and they have always been kissing behinds. Now they are being torn apart with muslim extremists. Canada has a long history of bending over backwards to appease Muslims and there have been many radical training grounds discovered there as well as plots stopped. Australia also bends over backwards to appease Muslims and they have the biggest Muslim gang rape problem in the non-Muslim world.

See a trend forming?

 

According to Jesus, that's the only way.. Love. I thought you went to church? The only trend I see is hate driven circles of violence that get us no where but where we are.

 

I agree that Clinton did much to pussify our military and our appearance of dominance, along with his exessive downsizing of our military.

As for Clinton being soft on terrorists, leaving us with 9/11, I think those wheels were in motion long before Bill was in office. Our country failed in Afganistan by abandoning them after the USSR pulled out, leading to a bloody fight for power and the rise of the Taliban. Just as we did to the Iraqi Shia population in southern Iraq during Desert Storm by leading them to believe that if they rebelled against Saddam, we would back them, and when they began to try, we left them twisting in the wind.

This goes back to my post about having five or more decades of pretty poor foreign policy, including the Clinton administration.

There were some successed too, such as the fall of the USSR's empire and control over all the countries around them.

I will agree that Clinton made some moves that caused us to lose the fear factor, or intimidation factor that we won't be pushed around or cry defeat. I think the biggest mistake he made and what gave all these nations like Iran, North Korea, etc... the idea that we aren't to be feared, was his pull out of Somalia after the Blackhawk Down incident. The Muslim extremists there not only see that as a rally cry that they can beat us. The thing is that was one battle, that went wrong. What should have happened was to regroup and respond with an overwhelming use of force in Mogadishu, and regain control, and dominance. We were already there, it's not like we would have to invade them. Instead Wimpy Bill, pulls us out and now every year they have a national holiday celebrating the defeat of the US and driving us out of their country. In that instance I don't think we would have had much of a problem getting support from the international community.

I agree with the whole, "we can't love our way out of problems", idea and I truly believe what Teddy Roosevelt said about, "Speak softly and carry a big stick." This was his description of his foreign policy relating to using diplomacy but have the means to support your stance if necessary.

I think in the past the US has been too fast to use the "big stick" or covert operations that impose our will on sovereign nations for short term results, and not enough with diplomacy.

I agree with a zero tolerance on terrorism, but we should first use diplomacy to get the governments to work with us, like we are in Columbia against the drug trafficers, and less threatening to use force whether they like it or not. I don't think any of us would like another country violating our sovereignty or imposing their will on us. This is what the people in these nations see in the long run, that we didn't respect their rights as a nation, why should they respect us?

I agree it has worked for the short term, and so far, I just fear that in the long run this is the exact mentality that will and has caused us to lose some respect globally.