Wez vs Eddo - Thread Split

Shut the **** up... I'm trying to write something about you.

 

The reason I like wez is because even though he is isolated in beliefs he sticks with them. Even though he's wrong *wink wink* in time as he gets older I bet anything he will see. But this is what makes America great. Two sides that collide and in the turmoil find a better solution.

 

That is the main reason why, my misinterpreted threat of banning TJ was such a shock to me.

I feel both TJ and wez have a place here. Both very strongly believe in what they feel and are willing to stick to their guns. Do I feel both have issues with how they interpret posts? I am not going to get into specifics. Yes, but it seems, so do I.

I will only compare them to the immovable object/irresistable force paradox.

It is unfortunate that we now have to resort to micromanaging/babysitting in an attempt to keep things civil.

 

Part of me says you should've went a head and deleted this thread as I assume you contemplated and shut everybody up and the other half says yeah.. go a ahead and air it all out. I think your doing a good job IWS.

 

To which thread are you referring to?

I honestly wish, at these times, dealing with some of this, that I could get stoned.

 

Well not this one in particular but all of the flame war threads. When you shut down the smoothie one it seemed to simmer things down a bit. So to have an avenue to vent can be a double edge sword.

 

Thank you. I truly try to be unbiased and objective. I guess I just need to come to the conclusion that you can't please everyone. I just would hate for a productive member to leave as a result.

 

Thats it. I new you didn't want to take sides. Like I said before I could feel the apprehension.

 

I actually did remove all of them including all the, "debate over <enter member name>'s debate skillz" threads, but was advised of some negative aspects of this and returned them.

 

You didn't return them all did you? I hope not. No let this be the one and only vent. This way you can monitor it better.

 

unless I am wrong, and can see something different as a mod, they are all on the Free For All forum.

 

Or start one with an un bias name.

 

I never even looked down there before. In my opinion it would be better to have one flame thread to make it easier. But I guess a whole section is just as good.

 

Stupid me! I never go past the spam section.

 

The abortion smoothie thread was a very good one and did get heated.
Correct me if I wrong but I think tension started and flared there. It is a very controversial subject. We all have to remember that we all have our opinions and we should not judge people for their past or for what we think is right or wrong. Umm... damn...... Please get past it. I think we all know where we stand. But it was a good thread.

 

That was the one where I requested both public, in posts, and private, by PM that it needed to return to civil debate. It didn't happen, so I removed it.

Unfortunately, the next time that the same behavior continued, was in the thread where I may or may not have misinterpreted who started the personal attacks. My point at the time was that the bickering had gone on by several members and needed to return to civil reterect. Again, unfortunately, it then was interpreted as a biased attack and went south. From these unfortunate events, we now have the rules that are in place, as leaving members to control their own conduct wasn't working.

Oh well, we are where we are.

 

The appology I offered to Wez was not so much because I did anything wrong but to try and offer a path to mending fences. We have created a lot of negative stuff on the forum and I was trying to help fix things.


The stuff between you and me is based on a moderator/member association and is not the same as two members.


I did not start believing you had issues with me out of thin air, you have this tendancy to give mixed comments, example to follow:

Here we see you still refusing to admit you made a mistake. Hard to accept you mean your appology when you cannot even see where you made an error.

I felt you treated me in an unfair way, am I supposed to just ignore what seems to me as unfair? As I just pointed out, you still don't truly see how you made a mistake in your own mind, so how can you say your sorry about something you don't believe was wrong?

I agree with Wez sometimes, that does not mean I like him.

Why not? As I just pointed out, agreeing with someone in one or two things does not mean anything.

I can understand you made a mistake if you just came out and said that but your still saying you didn't make a mistake.

Your two completely different comments on the same topic is confusing to be honest.

Intentions are important, but the end does not justify the means in the real world. You have to make sure you don't make a situation worse. In this case, you gave me one heck of a chewing out based on your mistaken assumption I started things and your still waffling about if you see your mistake as a mistake.

True, and the same goes to you. You control how you respond as well and the responding you did turned out to be both wrong and unfair to me.

How can you ask us to be careful how we respond when your not?

Your staff, we take our cues of proper behavior on the forum from you. Jumping to conclusions and chewing me out from a bad assumption on your part is now the standard offered. Leading by example.

Trust is earned, not given. You are the staff member, not me. I can respect your possition but you must earn my respect as the person in that staff possition. So far, your still waffling on taking responsibility for your actions so it makes it difficult for me to completely respect you.


Your still human and making mistakes is human. Admitting you are still human would increase your standing on the forum, not decrease it.

All I can say is the proof is in the pudding. His actions to jump on people was still happening and even in this thread, we saw his most negative side several times. It is not necessary for the members to see your actions to make corrections on the forum, we would just like to see good results.

I believe your truly trying to deal with Wez now while there was no "effective" attempts in the past, so now the way I respond to Wez will change, at least as long as the new attention is kept up.

I would agree with all things being equal and among similar people, but there are situations where intent does not change the harm done. If I accenditally shoot someone, they are still shot, no matter what my intentions were at the time.




Now, I responded to your post and even though the sincerity of your appology is in question to be when you cannot even admit you made a mistake, I am will to say we can move foward and just let the past go if that is what you want to do.


We are humans who both make mistakes and have emotions and such that get in the way sometimes. Sometimes all two people can do is draw a line in the sand ans promise to leave the past in the past, so, this is what I am offering to you.

 

AMEN!!!

TJ, I really think you are putting too much emphasis (and expectations) on IWS being a mod. I mean, yes, he is a mod, but he is a member first. We are all adults here, and frankly, IWS's mod duties (as well as Bender and Cloaked) shouldn't hardly ever need to be used- because we are adults.

You seem to want to elevate him to some level of holiness that is unfair and unneeded. You want him to see the error of his ways, and are, to quote wez, unwilling to look at your own.

One of you, I forget who, posted the offending "ban" pm for us all to see, and from what I remember it was most definitely not a threat. But you took it as such, and thats your prerogative. IWS explained himself that it wasn't a threat, and from the way it looked to me- I agree with him. And then he apologized for it.

Now, I like you TJ- we agree on a lot of things, and you are better with your thoughts and ideas than I am- but this is getting old already. I really appreciate your attempts with wez, so how bout doing the same with IWS?

 

Agreed.

 

Re: New Rule On Conduct

You made no comments on the post because you were banned at the time, the post to vote you back or not was however visible to you...and therefore public. All members of the site were able to vote. I cleared it with you first before ever posting it...and you agreed.