World's most pointless granny

All drug abusers say the exact same thing, it is the "other" abusers with a problem, not me.

If you take the time to read my posts I already said I see casual smoking of pot as similar to casual drinking, my points of immoral behavoir is when people cross the line and become impared, reguardless of what the item was a parson used to become impared.

There is the added element of using illegal substances but that is mostly rooted in the desire of the person to feel like they are not conforming, it makes them feel like they are rebelling, I don't see that as very harmful on the surface, it depends how far a person takes it.

Some people see no harm in hanging a black man either but we must set limits somewhere to maintain a functional society.

Breaking a law is up to the person, it is not like the people did not know they were breaking the law. I see this like your claim that those around you know the dangers and choose to stay. Every person busted for pot knew they were breaking the law and decided to take the risk, I don't feel sorry for them.

If you don't agree with a law you get together and fight it, you just don't snub your nose at it and then cry when you get busted. If you are man enough to flaunt the law, be man enough to take the punnishment that goes with your flaunting.

Again, I only see an immoral element based on "heavy" use, well everyone is different so I will say use that takes a person past a mild buzz to being very impared to the point where their imparement could effect other people in a negative way.

I even see a blasted guy hitting on a girl at a bar after she already said no as bing immoral, I know the imparement is the main reason he is acting that way and that makes his overuse of these substances immoral.

Please try to read what I am saying, I have clearly stated that I have the same opinion of those that overindulge in drinking as well, we just seem to be concentrating on pot right now but all kinds of heavy imparement is immoral.

Being as you have admitted yourself that you have gotten severely stoned many times, I guess that even you can't be responsible, so there goes that arguement.

There is something missing in anyone that must look to mind altering substances to enjoy themselves. Again, I am not talking about small use, I am talking of those that escape reality by using heavy amounts of chemicals.

People that drink to excess are the same thing I agree. All successful alcholic programs require the addict to admit they are addicted and have a serious problem, only by admitting the problem can a person get past that problem, and even then most will struggle their entire life.

No, the last 12 years of working with my local Guardian Ad Litem chapter and seeing parents who have an ounce of pot in the home and no food for the kids has jaded me a tad I am sure but all of my opinions are based on my own observations and research, I never take a possition on anything without fully researching all sides.

I see no benefit to society to have more legal ways to scramble your brains, we already have booze and that causes enough deaths and mayhem as far as I am concerned.



Let me close with a story:

A good friend of mine worked as a firefighter for over ten years and one day his supervisor smelled pot on him and had him take a piss test. He tested positive for pot and was fired. He had a difficult time finding another good paying job and his wife got tired of waiting and took off with the kids. Several of us tried helping him some but obviously he made his bed and had to figure out how to sleep in it.

He ended up living with me a few months, during that time he would go for walks, I live out in the country so it is no big deal but one night I busted him smoking pot in my back field under a pecan tree. After pot had led to losing his job and his family, he still smoked pot, and had it in my home on top of that.

I told him there he either enrolled in a drug abuse program or he needed to leave my home. He refused to admit he had a problem, he even said "It's just pot" similar to what you are saying. He decided to leave instead of getting help.


Pot is not harmless.

 

You're right. Anyone that ever drinks beer is a hopeless alcoholic and they need treatment.

Neither are cheeseburgers.

I think we have come to an understanding. Is this the first official debate on JustBS.com? Did we bust the debate cherry here?

 

We were doing so well until that, well, what was that? I thought things like that were said in middle school, not between adults.

This discussion was about abusing drugs to the point of imparement, not casual use, I clearly pointed out that was the basis of my points.

Yes, but there are degrees of harm, you can't get wasted by eating too many cheesburgers so your not puting other people at risk for your personal risk. Also Pot is illegel, cheesburgers are not (maybe they should be).

Do we get a prize or something?????

 

Since this topic morphed into the morality of weed, I'll toss in another 2 cents..

I contend that the only reason MJ is illegal is to create a market for it. To make it "worth" money.

I'll start my argument by saying.. I have a hard time believing the guv "bans" it for my own well being... If they did, McD's would be forced underground to sell artery clogging cheeseburgers. Booze and ciggarettes would certainly be illegal, as well as sunbathing... it's all about money. It's always about money.. and jobs.

Plus, this is phreaking America.. I should have a right to grow a plant and smoke it if I see fit.. Hmmmmm... Then it'd be free.. can't have that, now, can we?

 

Well, I keep wanting to agree with you, but then you keep making these stereotypical, broad sweeping generalizations, such as;

So I just thought I'd fire some sarcasm into the bush and see what came crawling out.

It could be argued that ones decision to consume saturated fats and fried foods, causes financial and emotional damage to loved ones as well as detrimental affects on society due to the health care and insurance rate issues. But, I feel we are both getting caught up in the semantics of various terminologies.

I guess I'm just sore at you, for strongly suggesting that anyone who smokes pot, despite the frequency, is a menace to those around them. And with over 20 years of pot smoking under my belt, I have yet to see any harm to others as a result of my choice to smoke grass.

Other than your unrealistic portrayal of pot smokers, I agree with most of what you've said.

 

A forum discussion about any topic must be based on general concepts, not individual ones because there is just too many varibles to get too specific.

Again I guess I must repeat myself and say that my points are based on those that use drugs in excess and includes those that drink too much. I have said many times that casual use of pot is "similar" to drnking so I don't understand why you are getting sore.

Deciding to screw with your brain chemistry to the point you become severely impared around other people, even those who also are imparing themselves, is not just a personal choice because you put other people at risk.

It is the risk that makes it immoral, and is the same for whatever substance a person uses to get impared.

Look, I admit that there are exceptions to every rule and I am sure there are a few people that can use drugs on a regular basis and be fine, and will never hurt someone else with their use.

But, the majority of all people are weak, not even cattle they are sheep, sitting there watching as the sheep next to them gets slaughtered and they just eat their grass without concern. Most people have a hard enough time staying alive without inserting chemical experimentation into their lives and have no business doing it because they put everyone at risk.

 

I understand. I am now going to retire into my bedroom to get high.

However from now on I'm going to wear a helmet as I now know how dangerous it is.