20 States Try to get Health Care Law Tossed. Any Pattern Here?

20 states ask judge to throw out Obama health law

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Attorney Generals political party 32 Democrats and 18 Republicans

Interesting that 13 of the 18 Republican AGs have filed suits while only 5 of the 32 Democrat AGs have filed suits against the new health care law. The 5 Democrats seem to be from pretty solid red states as well. Politically motivated law suits? You decide.

 

Well, it appears that 13 Republican AGs and 5 Democrat AGs (so far) are the only ones with brains in their heads. Politically motivated lawsuits? I've decided and my answer is: NO

 

Based on....????? Sophomoric partisan hackery?

 

Commerce clause. What if the government under the republicans, signed a law that required you to buy a handgun? You be screaming COMMERCE CLAUSE at the top of your lungs. this law mandates that you purchase a product.

 

Everyone needs health care. Find one person in your life that has never used any kind of health care. You can't do it. What some people want is to use health care when they need it and not pay for it. We all use it and we all need to pay for it. The law mandates that you help pay for something that all of us already use.

 

That is undeniable.
I am asking you if you would have a problem with the Constitutionality of it....Thats what is being challanged, not the moral or ethical side of things. Every person needs protection one time or another in their lives.....that argument could be made as well.

Are you comfortable with the federal governmant forcing you to buy a product? It's an easy yes or no I would think.

Whats next? The government requiring all to either rent or buy shelter?

 

The government requires us to do many things. That is their purpose. They take what would otherwise be societal chaos and bring a social order to our lives in many areas from our transportation system to our national defense. This is not a matter of being forced to buy something as you put it, it is just another way to deliver to our society a health system that is equitable and available to every citizen. We are a pariah among the developed countries in that we do not provide health care for our citizens simply because there is a large industry that profits off of the current system. They are fighting tooth and nail to keep raking in the mountains of money that does nothing to improve the health of our citizens. By any economic factor you look at, health care is getting more expensive, less available, and we are ranked about 39th in the world as far as the health of our citizens goes. The universal health care models are all around us and they are beating the hell out of our for-profit model. Is it really the issue that government is forcing us to purchase something we all need or is really about a failing health care model fighting for its survival? Read my quote at the bottom.

 

Excellent fillibuster there Moen, let me ask you again, are you ok with the government dictating that you buy a product?

 

Will you answer a point blank yes or no question?

 

I actually disagree with mandating the people purchase it. Problem is the right will use that as an excuse to throw out the whole idea, catering to their rich base as usual.

 

Tom, Health Care definatly needs a cure, and a big fix........we do not disgree at all on that. Just how do w e fix it without the scum politicians?

 

Well, don't have the answer there but once you have identified the cancer and it has swallowed everything else, what do you do? Watch it kill you or try and remove it? Both might kill you but at least you took them with you. The system is corrupted by wealth and irretrievably so IMO. You can't now cut out the cancer without killing the patient now maybe but maybe you can help someone in the future prevent cancer?

 

Question for you Jack, if you wish to drive a motor of any kind does the goverment not mandate that you must 1st purchase a driving licence by passing a driving test? therfore is that not unconstitutonal? and I am not sure about in the US but over here if you wish to drive without fear of arrest you have to purchase insurance (By Law)

 

Obviously I see it differently than you do but if you want to define it as you have I'd have to say "YES". The problem is that you define the question in black and white terms with the intent of saying down the road that I am OK with being forced to buy a product. You are trying to use the same nonsense politicians use regularly. They paint their political foes the way they want them to be seen, not the way they actually are. Its a foolish game designed to give the head nodders whiplash. You and I can certainly rise above all that.

 

Yes you do have to have to pay for a license. But, that, like a title for your car and yearly registration of your car is a tax imposed to help pay for roads, etc that you will be using (theoretically anyway - it probably actually goes for upkeep on the governor's mansion or something ). but it is not a purchase of a product. The government can certainly mandate that you pay a healthcare tax. It really already does for Medicare payroll deductions.

However, car insurance is a product that you have to purchase...but the key words really are 'if you want to drive'. If you choose not to drive (and there are plenty of people who choose not to own a car or cannot afford to own a car, etc), you do not have to buy car insurance and no law says that you do. We could do the same with health insurance and I am sure it would be constitutional. But, that is different than what the healthcare law mandates I believe.

 

And if you choose not to have health care then what happens? you can not expect the goverment to cover the expense can you? Oh before any one comment on the UK having free health care it is paid for through National Insurance contributions from everyone who works

 

As I've said before, sever one's healthcare from their employment and most of the issues disappear immediately. Competition in the marketplace will drive costs down and since the individual owns their own policy and can own the the same one year after year regardless of their employment situation the pre-existing condition part of it becomes somewhat moot. There can still be groups or collectives one can join if they are high risk but they would be voluntary & not tied to employment. With this scenario, people will have the self-motivation to maintain healthier lifestyles (in the form of cheaper premiums). It has worked with life insurance, auto insurance, etc.

 

I beg anyone to show me someone that has never used the health care system in this country at one time or another. You either need it, or will need it, or you live in a cave. The rub here is that when many of us eventually do need a health care system, it will be gone. The fact is THAT EVERYONE NEEDS HEALTH CARE AT SOME POINT. The government mandates many things in our lives and drawing a line in the sand with something as important as health care seems just a bit stupid.

 

Driving a car is optional Steve.......

 

Paying for roads and bridges isn't...