Al Qaida - a US puppet

Sorry, I misread your post and thought that YOU were planning on getting kicked out soon. My bad!

 

Your manners truly leave me in awe.

 

Nah, not me, suicide by moderator is more TomCorona's style. Did you witness the drama over on Cointalk?

 

Dont leave

Wow! You guys scared the kid off. I really wanted to hear what he had to say. He was more interesting than you guys bashing each other over and over again & calling each other names. Though I have to admit it was a little funny at first. Reminds me of when I was in second grade.

 

Coming from the guy named Darth Vader.

 

No I didn't. Which thread? I'm guessing that it has probably been deleted?

 

It has not been deleted. In fact, the thread is still open and has taken a different tack at this point. RickieB revived a year old thread about Cointalk being criticized on the PCGS (CU) forum. Two posts later, Tom started in with his typical rhetoric and spawned 10+ pages of the most entertaining forum drama I have seen in sometime. Man, he really got under the skin of some of those guys who don't understand him.

His post is #103 on page 8. Have Fun

Cointalk Under Attack!

 

Yeah, tomc had his 9/11 moment here, whatever that was, but he sure hasn't changed his feelings for folks who he perceives as more successful than himself. I noticed his postings slowed down here after I pointed how dr moen was exploiting him...maybe the light came on a bit?

 

I think the mistake Tom makes is assuming that everyone with a conservative viewpoint is wealthy. I can say with absolute certainty that there are far more conservatives than liberals that collect coins. I can't tell you the percentage but from every coin dealer I've met, and every coin show I've attended, and the multitudes of people I've talked with on forums like these, the hobby is dominated by conservatives. Tom just has his views about the people in this forum that aren't necessarily based in reality.

 

I am dying to know if his epiphany about 9/11 was sincere of if he did that simply to extracate himself from these forums. Either way, his views of the government, republicans, and capitalism are radical to say the least. The problem is that they are based on emotions and feelings not facts or logic. That is precisely the reason why it is so easy to beat him in a debate despite his mastery of spin and dodgeball.

 

I'm not a fan of the extreme Left or the extreme Right. Extreme is extreme no matter what the cause. My wife likes to point out that we need the extremes to push the envelope but never, never let them dominate the conversation. They are just too extreme. The problem is that they are usually the loudest voices in the crowd.

 

The "CT Under Attack?" thread sure did take a turn.

Seemed to me TomC felt lonely without Arizona Jack so he took it where it didn't belong. Extremely poor taste.
I pretty much tried to stay out of that circus.

It is known that Jack and I don't see eye to eye on politics and we had one heck of a blow up ourselves right here on PRWE some time ago.
We made up and stay in touch.
TomC was just wrong. As I said Jack and I don't agree on politics but I've spent time with he and his wife and will tell anyone that they are good people.

Now as for YOU Lehigh. How's the AT coins going? Sorry man I HAD to say that.

I'm seeing PRWE try and spill over onto CT and next thing I know CT is spilling over onto PRWE.

Thought I was in alternate universe or something.

 

There are times on Cointalk that I am given credit that frankly I don't deserve. However, with regards to TomCorona, the entire Cointalk community should throw me a big thank you! I argued with TomCorona about 9/11 for almost a year and over 75 pages basically by myself for one reason. That reason was to keep him from trolling on Cointalk. He may have popped in from time to time, but basically I kept him very busy over here on the PRWE. I will admit that I derived a certain satisfaction of making him look for lack of a better word, stupid. However, my main goal was to keep him off Cointalk. I knew darn well that he had no interest in coins and was only hanging around to discuss his bizarre conspiracy theories.

As for this new TomCorona fan club and their attacks on my coins, I like to use music to calm myself. Every time claw posts on this forum, I play two songs: "send in the clowns" & "Another one bites the dust".

 

Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban

by Phil Gasper

International Socialist Review, November-December 2001

The Soviet occupation, which lasted from 1979 to 1989,
The Bush administration claims to be targeting Osama bin Laden, who it says masterminded the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (even though it has offered no concrete evidence to back up this accusation), and Afghanistan's Taliban government, which is sheltering him. But as the Economist magazine noted soon after September 11, " [U.S.] policies in Afghanistan a decade and more ago helped to create both Osama bin Laden and the fundamentalist Taliban regime that shelters him."

Three weeks after Soviet tanks rolled into Kabul, Carter's secretary of defense, Harold Brown, was in Beijing arranging for a weapons transfer from the Chinese to the ClA-backed Afghani troops mustered in Pakistan. The Chinese, who were generously compensated for the deal, agreed and even consented to send military advisers.
The CIA became the grand coordinator: purchasing or arranging the manufacture of Soviet-style weapons from Egypt, China, Poland, Israel and elsewhere, or supplying their own; arranging for military training by Americans, Egyptians, Chinese and Iranians;
Beginning in 1985, the CIA supplied mujahideen rebels with extensive satellite reconnaissance data of Soviet targets on the Afghan battlefield, plans for military operations based on the satellite intelligence, intercepts of Soviet communications, secret communications networks for the rebels, delayed timing devices for tons of C-4 plastic explosives for urban sabotage, and sophisticated guerrilla attacks, long-range sniper rifles, a targeting device for mortars that was linked to a U.S. Navy satellite, wire-guided anti-tank missiles, and other equipment.

Between 1986 and 1989, the mujahideen were also provided with more than 1,000 state-of-the-art, shoulder-fired Stinger antiaircraft missiles.

By 1987, the annual supply of arms had reached 65,000 tons, and a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon officials were
Between 1982 and 1992, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 43 Islamic countries in the Middle East, North and East Africa, Central Asia and the Far East would pass their baptism under fire with the Afghan mujahideen

One of the first non-Afghan volunteers to join the ranks of the mujahideen was Osama bin Laden, a civil engineer and businessman from a wealthy construction family in Saudi Arabia, with close ties to members of the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden recruited 4,000 volunteers from his own country and developed close relations with the most radical mujahideen leaders. He also worked closely with the CIA, raising money from private Saudi citizens. By 1984, he was running the Maktab al-Khidamar, an organization set up by the ISI to funnel "money, arms, and fighters from the outside world in the Afghan war."

Since September 11, CIA officials have been claiming they had no direct link to bin Laden. These denials lack credibility. Earlier this year, the trial of defendants accused of the 1998 U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya disclosed that the CIA shipped high-powered sniper rifles directly to bin Laden's operation in 1989. Even the Tennessee-based manufacturer of the rifles confirmed this. According to the Boston Globe,


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d1b9e546-ceb4-11dc-877a-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden>

 

Quote, "CIA worked with Pakistan to create Taliban"

LONDON: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the "monster" that is today Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, a leading US expert on South Asia said here.

Harrison said: "The CIA made a historic mistake in encouraging Islamic groups from all over the world to come to Afghanistan." The US provided $3 billion for building up these Islamic groups, and it accepted Pakistan's demand that they should decide how this money should be spent, Harrison said.
Harrison, who spoke before the Taliban assault on the Buddha statues was launched, told the gathering of security experts that he had meetings with CIA leaders at the time when Islamic forces were being strengthened in Afghanistan. "They told me these people were fanatical, and the more fierce they were the more fiercely they would fight the Soviets," he said. "I warned them that we were creating a monster."

http://www.emperors-clothes.com/docs/pak.htm

 

As an ex member of the 10th Special Forces Group I can tell you from personal experience its called bringing the war to the enemy. Up close and personal. They understand only the type of violence that they perpetrate against others. It makes the enemy live in fear. There is no safe place for them. And thats the way it should be.

Steve

 

Such a very amazing link!

 

For what reason? W.M.D. as Bush first declared to start war, or just for "democracy" after he found nothing in Iraq - at the price of million civilians' death?

Do you think you are a hero - to kill with high tech. weapon, like those who killing "savage Indians" with canon - or rather, a coward?

 

Who is behind the terrorism?

The caretaker interior minister, Lieutenant General (Retd) Hamid Nawaz Khan, has done the predictable thing that he learned in PMA by saying on Saturday that India, Afghanistan and the United States had a hand in the terrorism in Pakistan. He admitted he had no proof of this involvement but that “people” had this perception. His “rational” explanation did not go further than the “circumstantial evidence” that the Taliban-Al Qaeda offensive in Afghanistan had gone down in the same measure as incidents of terrorism had gone up in Pakistan. He said suicide-bombings and other acts of organised violence needed big funding and this could come only from states unfriendly towards Pakistan.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\03\03\story_3-3-2008_pg3_1

 

Iran official says U.S. behind al-Qaeda attacks
04 Mar 2006
Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Mar. 04 - Iran's Interior Minister accused the United States of using its infiltrators in al-Qaeda to carry out terrorist attacks that would serve its interests, government-owned newspapers in Tehran reported on Saturday.

Radical Shiite cleric Mostafa Pour-Mohammadi said that Iran had "specific intelligence" proving that the U.S. had infiltrated al-Qaeda and ordered its cells to carry out terrorist attacks to convince other members of the group that they are genuine devotees.