Another Stellar Day for Gun Owners

Narcissist?

 

Oh totally.

 

Most are convicted. The ones who get off usually got off in the past was when they shot an intruder inside of their home. We all have guns where I live and there is very little crime. Below is taken from a local paper around the same time as the murder in Stanford.

An Immokalee man was sentenced to life in prison Monday for shooting and killing two men outside a Fort Myers strip club in January 2011.
Justin Campos, 26, was convicted on charges of second-degree murder and manslaughter in January after a jury found him guilty of the shooting deaths of Juan Miguel Sanchez-Perdomo, 20, and Carlos Deleon-Ortiz, 29, both of Lehigh Acres. In addition to life in prison for murder, Campos received 25 years in prison for manslaughter.
Surveillance video from Lookers strip club showed Campos shooting the two men during a fight instigated by Campos' friend, Daniel Guillen. During a "Stand Your Ground" hearing, Campos said he shot the two men because he feared for his life when Sanchez-Perdomo punched a staggering Guillen.
Campos' "Stand Your Ground" claim was rejected by a judge, and a jury found the shootings weren't justified by self-defense.

 

This thread was created to be about guns but it used a very poor case to advance the poster's issue. As can be seen in the media, this incident was really not about the gun.

 

Agreed. What I can not figure out is why the police did not arrest him and let the legal system sort it out. That is the way it usually works. We have these type of trials all the time in Florida. Before this the last three ones that happened in areas outside from where I lived were where one person who killed another person with a knive was found innocent -(High School kid who was being bullied constantly by a group of other kids)- another case a person was found guilty - (a younger man repeatly stabbed to death an older man) - and the strip joint shooting where the guy was found guilty. If any person noticed two out of the three cases were with knives. In Florida I believe it is an automatic ten year sentence for any crime commited with a gun so people who look for violence will carry a knive especially if it is not drug related. An NFL player was stabbed to death in Miami a year or two ago in his home by a burgler to mention another high profile case. Now I would be the first person to say it should be harder to get a gun but too many people want to take guns out of the hands of citizens.

 

I thought the guy was hispanic?

...anywho...

The gunman did the right thing, at first. He called the cops and reported that there was a suspicious person in his neighborhood. Then he ****ed up big time. He was told to not engage with the kid. He didn't listen and got into a scuffle with him... a scuffle he was losing. He had a gun on him and the kid was winning the fistfight. Did the gunman fear for his life? I would have if I was that dumb... to bring a gun to a fistfight and lose the fistfight, with the threat of the kid taking my gun and killing me. But the kid had the right to defend himself from an attacker. Some jerk comes and demands he follow his orders? Screw that loser! He wasn't a cop and the kid wasn't doing anything wrong, besides being seen by a fat loser with a gun and not enough smarts to know how to properly use it.

Anyone wanting to cite Florida's laws should be able to understand the kid had the right to defend himself from an attacker...an attacker that ultimately shot and killed him. The gunman should be cited for not following the official orders given to him by a representative of the police, for assault on someone under the age of 18, and for manslaughter.

 

Interesting conclusion you have there. Apparently you have been listening to the lame street media instead of the facts. As it stands now, none of your accusations have been substantiated.

BTW, is "not following the official orders given to him by a representative of the police" a federal crime, state crime, local crime, or something else?

 

Why are you and coin always falling back on the bull**** line that "we don't have all the facts" when it comes to things like this? You really want to support a loser that kills a kid? What the hell is wrong with you two?

Whatever, be that way. What I write is my opinion, and not law, and I've made that clear on several occasions in the past... and I've also stated that I believe laws are flawed and that it's not the right thing to do to follow them without question.

So yeah, IMO, failing to heed a lawful order from a representative of the police is a crime. By not heeding the lawful order that loser became the aggressor and responsible for the outcome. I may not follw every law written either, but I accept that I am responsible and may face punishment for it. One thing I'd never do is shoot a 17 year old kid in the chest. Only cowards like this fat loser do that kind of thing.

For me, it's important that I consider all the issues that I can in this type of incident, and use all the information I can discern. Whether the law agrees with my accessment or not doesn't mean much to me... I really don't give a ****...but at this point in time these are the facts that I consider to be relevant:

• The shooter failed to heed a lawful order. He was told not to engage with the victim and ignored that order, meaning he became an unlawful aggressor and is ultimately responsible for the death of the kid.
• The victim was under no obligation to follow the shooter's orders. If the shooter was an off duty cop, and identified himself in that manner, the victim would have had to follow any lawful commands, but since the shooter had less authority than a mall security guard, the victim was under no obligation to obey.
• The victim had the right to defend himself. A 17 year old male being harrassed by a larger man has the right to protect himself using whatever means available to him. It's the kids right to defend himself because the shooter was the aggressor and was capable of causing serious harm to the smaller victim.

If the police tell you not to engage with a suspicious person, and you fail to heed their order, and it results in you shooting someone... then yeah, that's a crime in my opinion. Not so legally? I don't give a ****.

But go ahead, defend the coward if you want to. It's what I've come to expect from you two.

 

Why are you and moen always falling back on the bull**** line that "we have all the facts" when it comes to things like this? You really want to condemn a person without having the facts? What the hell is wrong with you two?

But go ahead, condemn the man if you want to. It's what I've come to expect from you two.

 

The police should have arrested him. Document any injuries to him. Let their detectives investigate and then let the legal system sort it out. This may have not been murder. This may have not been manslaugther and then again this may not have been defend your ground. If the correct procedures took place we would not have a media lynching as we do now. Who knows what the truth is for how can anyone believe any witness who steps forward after the news cameras appear. I think that some of the people defending the shooter are really pissed off with how the media distorted aspects of this story from the start. I know I was not the only thinking why are we seeing a picture of a ten year old when the guy was suppose to be in his late teens. The misuse of visual images just shows how the news is not interested in the truth but their own agenda.

 

The facts that have come out since this incident are that Zimmerman has a very violent recent past. Put a gun in a guy's hand like Zimmerman tell him that he can shoot first and claim self-defense and you have an instant power trip. This is exactly the type of incident that was predicted by a Florida legislator when the stand your ground law first passed. EXACTLY!!! Most people can handle the responsibility of owning a gun but when you give some people carte blanche to shoot first and ask questions later, the inevitable result is innocent people being killed and innocent kids.
This incident reminds me of the guy down the street from me that pointed a gun at a man parked temporarily in front of his house while he was taking a cell phone call. Fortunately, the power trip this guy was on didn't end in anything but his own arrest but as we've seen, things can go terribly wrong. What gives either of these guys the right to inflict their warped sense of justice on anyone else in society? I tell you what gives them the right, at least in their twisted minds, it is nothing more than the power that a little piece of deadly steel in their hands affords them.
This isn't the first incident of this kind and it certainly won't be the last. Gun manufacturers are creating a need for their own product and using the lives of kids like Trayvon Martin as marketing tools. A well-armed society is a violent society and you can't point to one country today where this isn't true. When do we reach the point where our kids don't dare to leave the house to go down to the corner store to get a bag of candy and a drink without bringing a gun with them for protection? Oh yeah, last month.

 

The last time I heard, you had to have some kind of evidence to do so. All the evidence announced so far supports Zimmerman's version of the story. The last I heard, you were innocent until proven guilty in this country. I guess you are trying to make an exception if the press thinks you are guilty. I hope it never gets to that.

And, IQless1, where is the evidence that any of your conclusions took place? BTW, a 911 operator cannot give a "lawful order" to anyone. Actually, neither can the police order you not to walk on public property barring some other problems.

 

Here are some more facts.

The police video shows no sign that the killer was injured in the way he described. Broken nose? That's not the kind of injury that normally cured with first aid with no visible swelling or bruising. Cuts and abrasions? Where are they? Not even a band aid.

The mortician who prepared the victim's body for burial stressed that while he is not a medical examiner he saw no marks on the victim's body that would indicate that he had been involved in a violent struggle with his killer. There was just the gunshot wound.

The killer has a history of agression including 3 arrests and being fired from his job as a security guard at house parties for being "over zealous".

The screams on the tape have been determined by audio forensic experts to be those of the victim not those of his killer.

 

Here are some more facts...

Obama WAS born in the U.S. after all.
There were no death panels in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act after all.
Bush bailed out the banking sector not Obama.
And you can add the fact that a 17-year old kid is not responsible for his own murder.

Tell a RW'er these truth and they maintain their bubble of Fox inspired ignorance.

 

Well, now you may be on to something here. Zimmerman is a registered Democrat, after all:

http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/

Could this be yet another murderous Democrat? Could be... or not. Could his party affiliation have something to do with his (presumed) murderous action? Probably yes,.. that is, IF he's guilty... which hasn't been proven yet other than in the court of public opinion.

 

The police on the scene are not to determine who is innocent or who is guilty. A person is dead and another person has a gun. They are supposed to arrest the person with the gun and then after the investigation the justice system can decide to either drop the charges, or a grand jury can decide that their is not enough evidence, or the courts would sort it out. But I know where you are coming from regarding the press.

A High School Freshman stabbed another High School Freshman to death with a knife a bit from where I live. The liberal press went all after the kid. Tried to protray the dead kid only as the victim and showed younger pictures as well as wrote storys about how many friends he has his hobbies etc. Turns out the friends he had were helping him to bully this kid everyday. Turns out the kid who got killed got kicked out of his other school and was a problem in Miami. Turns out the kid who got killed was much bigger and older then the kid with the knife. It turns out the kid with the knife did report it to school officials but was ignored. It goes on and on
but it was mainly the police investigation that was used as evidence and the Stand your Ground law that cleared the small kid who was out on bail the entire time in court.

Zimmerman's verson of the story that his family told sounds like manslaughter for he followed the teenager who had not pose a threat to anyone at that point. Either way anyone looks at it his actions did lead to the death of someone who was not commiting any crime and at best was not a threat to him until he started to follow him.

The press version was that it was racially motivated murder.

I don't know for I was not there. An arrest should have been made. Wittness should have been soughted out that night. A computer voice indentification test should have been made with the phone call to see who was calling out for help. The computer test matches vocal cords like finger prints.

Last thing I need to hear is someone from MSN saying this voice sounds like that person. They are strangers to these two people, so stop the expert talk and trying to make a buck out of this or political mispoints on national tv.
It is very irresponsible and unAmerican.

This should not have been a news story. We all know where the majority of crime occurs and we all know where the majority of murders occur and the news story should be what needs to be done in those neighborhoods to stop it. But going to those neighborhoods at night would be dangerous for a news crew no matter what color they were.

 

Of course he was a democrat. It seems as if all the crime down here is done by democrats or illegals supported by democrats.

 

Since you have decided to bring party affiliation into it what should be instructive for you two is the lack of knee jerk support for this guy among the Left. Just the opposite. This stands in pretty stark contrast to your habitual refusal to condemn any Republican or any republican supported policy or law. No compromise, no criticism of The Party. The mark of true ideological hacks.

 

You are correct, you don't know and you were not there. BTW, they did not have to look for the witness. He called that night. Again, he supported Zimmerman's version. Again I say, you cannot arrest someone just because you think ........ There has to be some evidence. When presented to the DA, he denied them permission to arrest.

 

oh please...come on now.. the Republicans have been having problems with the democrats ever since John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln with a gun. Now we have another democrat shooting down someone else. When does it all stop!!!!!!!

Perhaps only democrats shouldn't have guns based upon their track record and yes this is tongue in cheek but makes as much sense as anything that the left preaches.