Anyone but Obama

It's just a natural progression of conversation. I find it interesting, however, that someone who identifies himself as liberal and gay is vocally anti-Obama. I have gay, liberal friends who don't care if Obama leads the nation into a socialist nightmare as long as he supports the gay community. To them, it doesn't matter what he does as long as he supports them. I encourage and applaud Obama's support of the gay community, but I'm adamantly opposed to his political ideology therefore I can't support him. If only his political and economic ideology wasn't so screwed up, he'd be a pretty good president. Oh, and if he hadn't killed babies in Libya. Oh, well...

 

Is that really any different than someone that is a corporatist not caring whether conservatives drive this country off an economic cliff as long as they themselves get rich in the process? We all have issues that mean a lot to us but if you are demagogued for your issue/lifestyle might it not drive you to be more of a passionate supporter of that cause?

 

You might say that gays should be passionate supporters of gay issues. Or Mexicans for Mexican issues. Or Chinese for Chinese issues. The list goes on... You can certainly be a passionate supporter for something you believe in, but shouldn't America come first? Come on, just because you're a democrat shouldn't mean that you want to see Obama run the country off a cliff.

 

Hey Coin, did you know that... "Shortly after his inauguration in 1981, Libya was a strong priority for Ronald Reagan..."

On April 15, 1986 he attacked Libya, dropping some 60 tons of munitions... "...Some bombs landed off-target, striking diplomatic and civilian sites in Tripoli, while the French embassy was only narrowly missed..."

His goal was to kill Gadhafi... "(Gadhafi) ...and his family rushed out of their... ...compound moments before the bombs dropped..."

The attack killed civilians... "...Among the casualties was an infant girl..."

A few years later, after the U.S. used Libyan money to fund a settlement for the victims of Gadhafi's terrorist activities, Gadhafi forced the foreign oil companies who operated in Libya to pay the lion's share of the cost... after threatening to recind their licenses. This prompted President George W. Bush to sign "...an exectutive order restoring the Libyan government's immunity from terror-related lawsuits and dismissing all of the pending compensation cases in the United States."

(Full article can be found at... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Libya_(1986)...).

 

...Having trouble Andy?... You got my quote and your response all tangled lol

...I've done that too LOL

 

Spent too much time reading the beer responses on another thread I guess.

 

Let's see.... I was talking about Obama killing babies in Libya. How does that correlate to Reagan or Bush? If you want to defend Obama's actions, please feel free to do so, but pointing out the actions of other presidents is not a good defense. You might as well say something like, "Well, FDR interred the Japanese in concentration camps during WWII". What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

The vast majority of abortions make me sick to my stomach. How can a nation not protect those that need the most protection but instead funds the death of unborn babies.

 

AS an aside...Things may not always be as they seem...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/31/501364/main20099663.shtml

 

Abortion as birth control is just another example of the "aid" offered by the left....

 

Actually abortion is a safe medical procedure Totaly Uncalled for Comment

 

If you're still living in 1981 that was the case. Reportedly, Gadhaffi's own daughter died in the attack. On the news a couple days ago, people raiding the compound found personal belongings of his (adult) daughter there that was supposedly killed in the attack. Which led to the admission by agents formerly close to Gadhaffi that it was all propaganda to drum up hatred towards the US. Just like the bombed out building still stands there from 1981. Left as propaganda.

 

For whom? The mother or the baby?

 

WORLDWIDE
Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000
Where abortions occur:
83% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 17% occur in developed countries.
© Copyright 1996-2008, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (www.agi-usa.org)
UNITED STATES
Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700

Is someone going to tell me this is a medical procedure and not murder because they are not using guns but forceps and valcums instead.
Think of the uproar if 1.3 million americans were murdered by lawyers instead of doctors.

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For the far left whack jobs who can't see that killing babies is murder.

 

Wrong date. The date I quoted was from '86. The body of an infant girl was found after the attack, and yes, the propaganda machine said it was one of his daughters (unconfirmed/dismissed).

The point I made was that Reagan had also launched air-strikes in Libya, and that innocents were killed then as well as now. The point is that incidental casuaties are to be expected when you launch a freaking missle at people lol

Coin wants to point out that Obama has killed people too. I don't disagree. My point is that the action was necessary and that the deaths of innocents are unavoidable during it. He probably doesn't agree with the action, so I'm countering with it happens.

 

I am defending Obama's actions in Libya, and it is perfectly acceptable to point out actions in Libya by previous presidents that resulted in the same issue... innocent's deaths.

 

Yes, the propaganda machine called the dead infant girl one of his daughters, and years later she was shown to be alive, but I didn't say she was his daughter. I said that an infant girl died as a result of the attack Reagan ordered.

 

If it was a lie for 25 years about it being his child, what makes you sure the child died in the attacks? Do you think he couldn't find (or create) a dead child to use? But I am not defending the killing of kids by other Presidents any more than I do the killing of kids by Obama (which happened for the first time surprisingly soon after his election - as another aside, btw). Just saying that one of your examples is quite a dubious example.