Blast from the Present

Too bad Reich wingers don't live in the present.

‘It’s a major blow’: Dominion has uncovered ‘smoking gun’ evidence in case against Fox News, legal experts say
Analysis by Oliver Darcy, CNN
Updated 11:29 PM EST, Thu February 23, 2023

Fox News is in serious hot water.

That’s what several legal experts told CNN this week following Dominion Voting Systems explosive legal filing against the right-wing talk channel, revealing the network’s executives and hosts privately blasted the election fraud claims being peddled by Donald Trump’s team, despite allowing lies about the 2020 contest to be promoted on its air.

While the legal experts cautioned that they would like to see Fox News’ formal legal response to the filing, they all indicated in no uncertain terms that the evidence compiled in Dominion’s legal filing represents a serious threat to the channel.

“It’s a major blow,” attorney Floyd Abrams of Pentagon Papers fame said, adding that the “recent revelations certainly put Fox in a more precarious situation” in defending against the lawsuit on First Amendment grounds.

https://us.cnn.com/2023/02/23/media/fox-news-dominion-reliable-sources/index.html

 

Thanks for the old news Chin Chin. This thread should be named:

"FIZZLE FROM YESTERDAY!" I guess you took SOME of my "fatherly" advice and got away from the computer:

@JoeNation, In case you claim to have missed this, I'm going to talk to you as your adult father. Think of me as your big "silver back" Gorilla dad. Get Trump out of your head and live again. Turn your computer off and take a long break from this place. Leave the basement. Get some air on a short pier. Talk to some intelligent atheists about what is going on around you and find out where they get their news. Your sources have failed you miserably. Then, in several years, you'll be able to come back to PL as an educated and informed poster rather than an asset for the enemies of America's culture, values, and traditions!
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I wonder why it takes some folks so long to become informed.

 

Hopefully there are some serious members here that can contribute more than personal attacks and mumbling incoherently. The mentally ill shouldn't do all your talking for you. Although, I do see how your comments might be confused with one another.

 

JoeNation, posted "Hopefully there are some serious members here that can contribute more than personal attacks and mumbling incoherently. The mentally ill shouldn't do all your talking for you. Although, I do see how your comments might be confused with one another."

Whine, whimper, whine, sob, cry BIG TEARS - Oh my, I am soooooo sorry.

All I do is ask you simple questions in order to further discussions. A very long time ago I tried to find out middle ground with all of us here and asked "what is right with America." I wish to know how/what you think. I was 100% sure we could start with MANY THINGS we could agree on such as Joe, do you think Truck drivers should be regulated. Joe, do you believe in the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, you don't answer questions. You just post articles written by others.

One would think that someone who posts a lie and gets bashed by other members aside from me MIGHT GET A CLUE that something they think may not be correct. IMO, and I'll bet it is universal, anyone who will not stand behind their opinions and defend things they post are non-engaging, useless members. I compare your non-interaction to trying to play a game of chess with a monkey. That's not even close. You behave more like a bottle around here filled with hot air. You cannot tell the truth much of the time, you will not answer direct questions, and NO ONE IN THE SANE WORLD could claim not to know that Joe Biden is a liar! You can sit back and post nonsense all day long and not engage in debate if you wish to be considered to be ignorant about US politics. That's all I see from you and I call you out.

It is really simple to act as an intelligent, informed adult. I've suggested how/where you can become informed. Here is an example: Is Trump a liar? Yes he is. Has Trump bribed people. Probably, NY is a very corrupt state. Has Trump failed to pay vendors? Absolutely, I have a democrat friend who knows one of them! THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE TRUTH AND THE FACT THAT I CAN SAY IT makes me much more valuable to have a discussion with than the empty bottle you are like. You are suppose to be a long-time, Memorable Member around here. Demonstrate someone has not made a very silly error. You need to get with the program and show that you deserve this recognition!

No one here wishes to change your beliefs - it is too much fun proving you are ignorant. No one here can change your moral character or lack of it either. All I want to do get you to engage and answer direct questions so that you actually add something besides left wing propaganda and lies.

Give it a try. You posted this above. The mentally ill shouldn't do all your talking for you.

This is the lame, rambling, "spin" of an ignorant old man with nothing important to add to a discussion - an old broken and empty bottle. TAKE THE FIRST STEP JOE. Exactly who are the mentally ill you refer to?

Now, take your second step Joe. Is Joe Biden a liar?
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I always wondered what it would be like to ask an atheist any direct questions.

 

Oh, where, oh where are you @JoeNation? Are you on the short pier? Your snarling little puppy dog wants a treat. Woof.

 

I came upon a bottle broken and thought that it was neat.
When I got home the dirty glass just cut my tiny feet.
To no avail I gave a cry but mommy never came.
So now I sit a little twit waiting and in pain.

 

Well now wait a second. This is not without precedent and it wasn’t that long ago that CNN had to settle with a young man for creating a story to go with an image that was fully fabricated…… Look, I am the first to admit that I am not a fan of society’s fondness of legal action these days, but certainly an item reported as “newsworthy” has to be backed up with a basis in fact….. But I want to propose a scenario here. Let’s say tomorrows headlines read “Bob Smith arrested for killing a family in a drunk driving accident”……. Now let’s say that six months from now, Bob Smith’s attorney gets the charges dropped via some legal loophole…. Does Bob Smith now have a basis to bring action against the news organization for publishing those headlines?… You see where I am going here? Every election the news desks speculate on the outcome before all precincts report… It goes on and on. Do we really want to bring action against news organization each time they report something we don’t like? Isn’t that just stifling free speech in a roundabout way really?

 

To be honest, the news would never report that Bob Smith was arrested for killing anyone. They always, always say "allegedly".

And this is a different situation. If you know the details of this, it's pretty clear Fox knew that they were reporting nonsense about Dominion. We know this because Fox's own staff admitted it in multiple emails that have been found during the discovery process in this case.

Here's a better analogy. Let's say news network XYZ reported that your business was selling dangerous school equipment. They reported over several months that your business was doing all kinds of sneaky business transactions to sell as much low-quality building supplies as you could get away with. You knew this was a total lie and asked for evidence but as they say, damage done. Now your business is failing thanks to these false reports and then you find out that the staff at XYZ sent each other emails saying that they knew that your business wasn't selling low-quality equipment but they kept reporting it anyway because it was helping their ratings.

What would you do to news network XYZ? My guess is that it would be something of a legal nature.

 

So, no one wants to say "everyone does this"? Just wondering when you're going to get around to that old false claim to defend the lies you want to believe.

If CNN, MSNBC, or any other news outlet did this, I'd demand that they explain themselves or lose my trust in them. So far, none of the leadership on the Right is even questioning the lies and deceit that were laid bare by Fox staff's own emails. And none of you are even questioning Fox's integrity much less demanding they explain themselves.

There IS a difference between the Left and the Right even if you choose to ignore it. It is never the case that one or the other side is entirely honest but journalists on the Left ARE held accountable by both the networks and their audiences. And just because the Right accuses the Left of something, that doesn't make it true. The Right has no vested interest in the truth nor any familiarity with the truth either and that is YOUR fault.

You refuse to hold them accountable and all that you'll ever receive from them in return is more lies. It's not my job as a Democrat to hold your news sources accountable. I will shame you for refusing to do it yourselves, but the ultimate responsibility is always going to be on YOU.

You get the leadership you deserve irrespective of anything the other side does. You can't use your enemies as the reason your leadership is failing you. It doesn't work that way.

This country would go a long way towards unity if you held your leadership accountable. You won't of course. Blaming the other side is all you have and the only reward you'll ever receive in return is more and more lies told to you by your own leadership.

Accountability was never your strong suit. Blame is a coward's behavior. I'm not blaming your leadership. They are working with what they have. A willing bunch of blind fools that can't look inward.

I've spoken only generally, now let the personal attacks begin. You already know how much credence I pay opinions and now you know why.

Thanks for listening cupcakes.

 

Joe, anybody with one iota of intellect is aware that there is no single source of reliable news. There are no more Walter Cronkites to rely on in this day and age. Anyone that does rely on a sole source does get what they deserve. And correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t these accusations leveled at pundits rather than the true news? The Hannity type opinion pieces that aren’t true news reports to begin with? Look, we got way, way bigger fish to fry here man. We have a president that cannot make hard decisions. We have kids ripping their own lives to shreds before they have a chance to even have a life. We have people so inwardly focused that they believe politicians are their enemy rather than the Red Chinese and probably couldn’t even put their finger on North Korea on the World globe….. I rather think it’s time we focused on some genuine problems here and stop the foolishness. Thanks, I’ll have my cupcake now.

 

Always, always . . . What a complete load of bullcrap.

Seemingly every time the Left accuses Donald Trump of doing something wrong, it self-servedly omits "allegedly" from its reporting.

Just because Fox News regarded as less than credible the fraudulent-election rantings of Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell doesn't mean they shouldn't give them the airtime to make their case, much as they most assuredly did with those who countered from the other side.

Should the American People sue the liberal media outlets for knowingly promulgating incorrect bias about the Steele Dossier, and the Russian Collusion, or concealing / suppressing information about Hunter Biden's laptop or Hillary Clinton's illegal email server?

 

Unknowingly, you make exactly my point. No one should rely on a single news source. However, that is exactly what Fox is for so many on the Right. Their only news source. And that is what creates a problem. Fox has to manipulate the news so they don't lose any viewers to the point that they know they are lying but they can't be truthful without losing their audience. It's the cart pushing the horse.

I watch anything from CNN to Reuters to MSNBC to CSPAN to NPR. But mostly, I read articles, opinion pieces, and online journalist. Much more indepth than any cable news.

I see Fox quoted here often. Fox is almost exclusively quoted by your ilk. Fox is the only cable network that says only they tell the truth. All of the other news source are lying to you according to them. You'll never hear any other network say this. It is a telling statement. Fascists use the tactic routinely. Only they know the truth. Only they can solve our problems. Only one source is the most reliable.

When any person or group tells you that only they are the purveyors of truth, run!

 

The best Dominion vs Fox explanation I have heard so far. Seriously, Fox accepted a semi-conscious time-traveler as their source?

 

Context is everything . . . show me the unedited email, as this is very carefully parsed, doubtless to full advantage of those making the argument for Dominion. Nothing below does any more than merely imply that the referenced information or this particular source is directly germane to the accusations made.

Powell sent Bartiromo an email prior to the interview [in which] Powell’s [singular] source ... explained that she gets her information from experiencing something “like time-travel in a semi-conscious state”​

 

JoeNation, posted:
"I watch anything from CNN to Reuters to MSNBC to CSPAN to NPR. But mostly, I read articles, opinion pieces, and online journalist. Much more indepth than any cable news."

Thank you for your confession. It's too bad you aare afraid to debate because this is the EXACT REASON YOU REMAIN IGNORANT. Each of those outlets (I'll add ABC, NBC, and CBS) is identical. You get one biased view. Miss one turn on the other. The "news readers" say exactly the same thing but occasionaly change the words and their order. They report the same things and hide the same things keeping you and your ilk ignorant and feeling up-to-date and very informed. WHAT A JOKE! I'm throwing up my dinner! As for Fox, they have become more like those fake news outlets with each passing year!

"When any person or group tells you that only they are the purveyors of truth, run!"

As always, post nonsense, and run! EXACTLY Who would this person or group be? Your constant companion - the organ grinding straw man?

I'm still vomiting!
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Its time to remove ignorant, non-engaging posters from their computer screen.

 

Well, I don't happen to have those emails handy so mute point. But, if Powell's source wasn't this mystical time-traveler, then who was her source? No one else has come forward as her source. Makes sense that a source should be verifiable, doesn't it? Fox ran with it anyway.

Plainly, any reputable news organization would have tossed Powell out on her pasty rump. Not Fox. Now they have to pay for defamation of Dominion.

 

Oh, that's precious . . . liberal "news" outlets get to claim their sources are anonymous, and Fox can't host a guest whose source is anonymous? Not Fox's source, mind you . . . their guest's source.

 

You just aren't all the bright are you? The 192 page court filing is accessible here:
Fox News Hosts Pushed Election Lies To Improve Ratings, Court Docs Allege
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-news-dominion-lies-ratings_n_63efa146e4b022eb3e3662dc

There is a link to the 192-page document. You could have found this yourself, or maybe that is giving you way too much credit.. Look at the bottom of page 118 and the top of page 119.

Her source is total bullcrap. But that didn't stop Fox did it?

 

And the final nail gets hammered in. Your favorite new source openly lied to the country knowing they were lies the entire time and look at the damage this lie has wrought. The Capitol attacked. The country more divided than ever. The GOP transformed into the House of MAGA. And don't forget, Dear Leader knew it too.

Murdoch Acknowledges Fox News Hosts Endorsed Election Fraud Lie
Source: New York Times
By Jeremy W. Peters and Katie Robertson
Feb. 27, 2023, 4:49 p.m. ET

Rupert Murdoch, chairman of the conservative media empire that owns Fox News, acknowledged in a deposition that several hosts for his networks promoted the false narrative that the election in 2020 was stolen from former President Donald J. Trump, court documents released on Monday showed.

“They endorsed,” Mr. Murdoch said under oath in response to direct questions about the hosts Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, a legal filing by Dominion Voting Systems said. “I would have liked us to be stronger in denouncing it in hindsight.”

Mr. Murdoch’s remarks, which he made last month as part of the $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox by Dominion, added to the evidence that Dominion has accumulated in an attempt to prove its central allegation: The people running the country’s most popular news network knew Mr. Trump’s claims of voter fraud during the 2020 election were false but broadcast them anyway.

The new documents and a similar batch released this month revealed that top executives and on-air hosts reacted with incredulity bordering on contempt to the various fictitious allegations about Dominion, including that a secret algorithm in its machines allowed votes to be switched from one candidate to another and that the company was founded in Venezuela to help that country’s longtime leader, Hugo Chávez, fix elections.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/27/...Uri8DpxeclnNVJsapXo3-LoeUTEeWw&smid=url-share

 

True believers will not be at all shaken by this. The damage to them is also beyond repairable. The lies are their mantra now. Heaven help them.