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ImWithStupid · Aug 5, 2010

Portland lemonade stand runs into health inspectors, needs $120 license to operate

Published: Wednesday, August 04, 2010, 6:19 PM Updated: Thursday, August 05, 2010, 10:30 AM

Seven-year-old Julie Murphy of Oregon City still smiles about her enterprise despite running afoul of county inspectors for an unlicensed lemonade stand at Last Thursday. It's hardly unusual to hear small-business owners gripe about licensing requirements or complain that heavy-handed regulations are driving them into the red.

So when Multnomah County shut down an enterprise last week for operating without a license, you might just sigh and say, there they go again.

Except this entrepreneur was a 7-year-old named Julie Murphy. Her business was a lemonade stand at the Last Thursday monthly art fair in Northeast Portland. The government regulation she violated? Failing to get a $120 temporary restaurant license.

Turns out that kids' lemonade stands -- those constants of summertime -- are supposed to get a permit in Oregon, particularly at big events that happen to be patrolled regularly by county health inspectors.

"I understand the reason behind what they're doing and it's a neighborhood event, and they're trying to generate revenue," said Jon Kawaguchi, environmental health supervisor for the Multnomah County Health Department. "But we still need to put the public's health first."

Julie had become enamored of the idea of having a stand after watching an episode of cartoon pig Olivia running one, said her mother, Maria Fife. The two live in Oregon City, but Fife knew her daughter would get few customers if she set up her stand at home.

Plus, Fife had just attended Last Thursday along Portland's Northeast Alberta Street for the first time and loved the friendly feel and the diversity of the grass-roots event. She put the two things together and promised to take her daughter in July.

The girl worked on a sign, coloring in the letters and decorating it with a drawing of a person saying "Yummy." She made a list of supplies.

Then, with gallons of bottled water and packets of Kool-Aid, they drove up last Thursday with a friend and her daughter. They loaded a wheelbarrow that Julie steered to the corner of Northeast 26th and Alberta and settled into a space between a painter and a couple who sold handmade bags and kids' clothing.

Even before her daughter had finished making the first batch of lemonade, a man walked up to buy a 50-cent cup.

"They wanted to support a little 7-year-old to earn a little extra summer loot," she said. "People know what's going on."

Even so, Julie was careful about making the lemonade, cleaning her hands with hand sanitizer, using a scoop for the bagged ice and keeping everything covered when it wasn't in use, Fife said.

After 20 minutes, a "lady with a clipboard" came over and asked for their license. When Fife explained they didn't have one, the woman told them they would need to leave or possibly face a $500 fine.

Surprised, Fife started to pack up. The people staffing the booths next to them encouraged the two to stay, telling them the inspectors had no right to kick them out of the neighborhood gathering. They also suggested that they give away the lemonade and accept donations instead and one of them made an announcement to the crowd to support the lemonade stand.

That's when business really picked up -- and two inspectors came back, Fife said. Julie started crying, while her mother packed up and others confronted the inspectors. "It was a very big scene," Fife said.

Technically, any lemonade stand -- even one on your front lawn -- must be licensed under state law, said Eric Pippert, the food-borne illness prevention program manager for the state's public health division. But county inspectors are unlikely to go after kids selling lemonade on their front lawn unless, he conceded, their front lawn happens to be on Alberta Street during Last Thursday.

"When you go to a public event and set up shop, you're suddenly engaging in commerce," he said. "The fact that you're small-scale I don't think is relevant."

Kawaguchi, who oversees the two county inspectors involved, said they must be fair and consistent in their monitoring, no matter the age of the person. "Our role is to protect the public," he said.

The county's shutdown of the lemonade stand was publicized by Michael Franklin, the man at the booth next to Fife and her daughter. Franklin contributes to the Bottom Up Radio Network, an online anarchist site, and interviewed Fife for his show.

Franklin is also organizing a "Lemonade Revolt" for Last Thursday in August. He's calling on anarchists, neighbors and others to come early for the event and grab space for lemonade stands on Alberta between Northeast 25th and Northeast 26th.

As for Julie, the 7-year-old still tells her mother "it was a bad day." When she complains about the health inspector, Fife reminds her that the woman was just doing her job. She also promised to help her try again -- at an upcoming neighborhood garage sale.

While Fife said she does see the need for some food safety regulation, she thinks the county went too far in trying to control events as unstructured as Last Thursday.

"As far as Last Thursday is concerned, people know when they are coming there that it's more or less a free-for-all," she said. "It's gotten to the point where they need to be in all of our decisions. They don't trust us to make good choices on our own."

-- Helen Jung

2010 OregonLive.com. All rights reserved.
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ImWithStupid · Aug 5, 2010

Portland lemonade stand runs into health inspectors, needs $120 license to operate

Published: Wednesday, August 04, 2010, 6:19 PM Updated: Thursday, August 05, 2010, 10:30 AM

Seven-year-old Julie Murphy of Oregon City still smiles about her enterprise despite running afoul of county inspectors for an unlicensed lemonade stand at Last Thursday. It's hardly unusual to hear small-business owners gripe about licensing requirements or complain that heavy-handed regulations are driving them into the red.

So when Multnomah County shut down an enterprise last week for operating without a license, you might just sigh and say, there they go again.

Except this entrepreneur was a 7-year-old named Julie Murphy. Her business was a lemonade stand at the Last Thursday monthly art fair in Northeast Portland. The government regulation she violated? Failing to get a $120 temporary restaurant license.

Turns out that kids' lemonade stands -- those constants of summertime -- are supposed to get a permit in Oregon, particularly at big events that happen to be patrolled regularly by county health inspectors.

"I understand the reason behind what they're doing and it's a neighborhood event, and they're trying to generate revenue," said Jon Kawaguchi, environmental health supervisor for the Multnomah County Health Department. "But we still need to put the public's health first."

Julie had become enamored of the idea of having a stand after watching an episode of cartoon pig Olivia running one, said her mother, Maria Fife. The two live in Oregon City, but Fife knew her daughter would get few customers if she set up her stand at home.

Plus, Fife had just attended Last Thursday along Portland's Northeast Alberta Street for the first time and loved the friendly feel and the diversity of the grass-roots event. She put the two things together and promised to take her daughter in July.

The girl worked on a sign, coloring in the letters and decorating it with a drawing of a person saying "Yummy." She made a list of supplies.

Then, with gallons of bottled water and packets of Kool-Aid, they drove up last Thursday with a friend and her daughter. They loaded a wheelbarrow that Julie steered to the corner of Northeast 26th and Alberta and settled into a space between a painter and a couple who sold handmade bags and kids' clothing.

Even before her daughter had finished making the first batch of lemonade, a man walked up to buy a 50-cent cup.

"They wanted to support a little 7-year-old to earn a little extra summer loot," she said. "People know what's going on."

Even so, Julie was careful about making the lemonade, cleaning her hands with hand sanitizer, using a scoop for the bagged ice and keeping everything covered when it wasn't in use, Fife said.

After 20 minutes, a "lady with a clipboard" came over and asked for their license. When Fife explained they didn't have one, the woman told them they would need to leave or possibly face a $500 fine.

Surprised, Fife started to pack up. The people staffing the booths next to them encouraged the two to stay, telling them the inspectors had no right to kick them out of the neighborhood gathering. They also suggested that they give away the lemonade and accept donations instead and one of them made an announcement to the crowd to support the lemonade stand.

That's when business really picked up -- and two inspectors came back, Fife said. Julie started crying, while her mother packed up and others confronted the inspectors. "It was a very big scene," Fife said.

Technically, any lemonade stand -- even one on your front lawn -- must be licensed under state law, said Eric Pippert, the food-borne illness prevention program manager for the state's public health division. But county inspectors are unlikely to go after kids selling lemonade on their front lawn unless, he conceded, their front lawn happens to be on Alberta Street during Last Thursday.

"When you go to a public event and set up shop, you're suddenly engaging in commerce," he said. "The fact that you're small-scale I don't think is relevant."

Kawaguchi, who oversees the two county inspectors involved, said they must be fair and consistent in their monitoring, no matter the age of the person. "Our role is to protect the public," he said.

The county's shutdown of the lemonade stand was publicized by Michael Franklin, the man at the booth next to Fife and her daughter. Franklin contributes to the Bottom Up Radio Network, an online anarchist site, and interviewed Fife for his show.

Franklin is also organizing a "Lemonade Revolt" for Last Thursday in August. He's calling on anarchists, neighbors and others to come early for the event and grab space for lemonade stands on Alberta between Northeast 25th and Northeast 26th.

As for Julie, the 7-year-old still tells her mother "it was a bad day." When she complains about the health inspector, Fife reminds her that the woman was just doing her job. She also promised to help her try again -- at an upcoming neighborhood garage sale.

While Fife said she does see the need for some food safety regulation, she thinks the county went too far in trying to control events as unstructured as Last Thursday.

"As far as Last Thursday is concerned, people know when they are coming there that it's more or less a free-for-all," she said. "It's gotten to the point where they need to be in all of our decisions. They don't trust us to make good choices on our own."

-- Helen Jung

2010 OregonLive.com. All rights reserved.
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Old Salt · Aug 5, 2010

I'm glad I grew up where, and when, I did.

Old Salt · Aug 5, 2010

I'm glad I grew up where, and when, I did.

hugo · Aug 5, 2010

My mother was telling me about when she got her first drivers license. All she did was walk in and pay a quarter and she got her license. The good ole days.

hugo · Aug 5, 2010

My mother was telling me about when she got her first drivers license. All she did was walk in and pay a quarter and she got her license. The good ole days.

BrotherMan · Aug 6, 2010

Thank you nanny state... Big Government is obviously a great idea... Buy a license for walking your dog. That will be next.

Edit: Or for owning a dog...

BrotherMan · Aug 6, 2010

Thank you nanny state... Big Government is obviously a great idea... Buy a license for walking your dog. That will be next.

Edit: Or for owning a dog...

eddo · Aug 6, 2010

RaE said: ↑

Edit: Or for owning a dog...
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dunno if you are being sarcastic or not, but out here we have to have our dogs licensed and registered.

One of my buddies moved here from Washington a few years ago and didn't know that. One of his neighbors called Animal Control on him cause he left his 3 dogs outside one day when it rained (he has a back porch, a dog house, and a doggy door so the dogs could get inside if they wanted) and the inspector gave him a $100 fine per dog for not being licensed (the license is $25 per dog.) PLUS, he had to go to a 6 hour class on animal cruelty.

I know some states don't require dog licenses, but AZ does.

eddo · Aug 6, 2010

RaE said: ↑

Edit: Or for owning a dog...
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dunno if you are being sarcastic or not, but out here we have to have our dogs licensed and registered.

One of my buddies moved here from Washington a few years ago and didn't know that. One of his neighbors called Animal Control on him cause he left his 3 dogs outside one day when it rained (he has a back porch, a dog house, and a doggy door so the dogs could get inside if they wanted) and the inspector gave him a $100 fine per dog for not being licensed (the license is $25 per dog.) PLUS, he had to go to a 6 hour class on animal cruelty.

I know some states don't require dog licenses, but AZ does.

BrotherMan · Aug 6, 2010

eddo said: ↑

RaE said: ↑

Edit: Or for owning a dog...
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dunno if you are being sarcastic or not, but out here we have to have our dogs licensed and registered.

One of my buddies moved here from Washington a few years ago and didn't know that. One of his neighbors called Animal Control on him cause he left his 3 dogs outside one day when it rained (he has a back porch, a dog house, and a doggy door so the dogs could get inside if they wanted) and the inspector gave him a $100 fine per dog for not being licensed (the license is $25 per dog.) PLUS, he had to go to a 6 hour class on animal cruelty.

I know some states don't require dog licenses, but AZ does.
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I was being sarcastic... I had no idea this was a law somewhere... That is ridiculous... Land of the free my ass.

BrotherMan · Aug 6, 2010

eddo said: ↑

RaE said: ↑

Edit: Or for owning a dog...
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dunno if you are being sarcastic or not, but out here we have to have our dogs licensed and registered.

One of my buddies moved here from Washington a few years ago and didn't know that. One of his neighbors called Animal Control on him cause he left his 3 dogs outside one day when it rained (he has a back porch, a dog house, and a doggy door so the dogs could get inside if they wanted) and the inspector gave him a $100 fine per dog for not being licensed (the license is $25 per dog.) PLUS, he had to go to a 6 hour class on animal cruelty.

I know some states don't require dog licenses, but AZ does.
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I was being sarcastic... I had no idea this was a law somewhere... That is ridiculous... Land of the free my ass.

ImWithStupid · Aug 6, 2010

Update...

Apology after girl's lemonade stand shut down
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Thu Aug 5, 11:45 pm ET

PORTLAND, Ore. A county official in Oregon has apologized after a 7-year-old's business venture was soured because health inspectors shut down her lemonade stand. Multnomah County Chairman Jeff Cogen, the county's top elected official, said Thursday that running a lemonade stand is a "classic iconic American kid thing to do."

He says he called Julie Murphy's mother, Maria Fife, to offer his apology and says she appreciated it.

Fife helped her daughter set up a lemonade stand last week at a local arts fair in northeast Portland. They had to pack up and leave after being approached by two inspectors who said the stand lacked a license.

Cogen says while the inspectors were doing their job, the rules are meant for professional food service operators. He adds he ran lemonade stands as a child.
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http://news.yahoo.co...XBvbG9neWFmdGVy

ImWithStupid · Aug 6, 2010

Update...

Apology after girl's lemonade stand shut down
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Thu Aug 5, 11:45 pm ET

PORTLAND, Ore. A county official in Oregon has apologized after a 7-year-old's business venture was soured because health inspectors shut down her lemonade stand. Multnomah County Chairman Jeff Cogen, the county's top elected official, said Thursday that running a lemonade stand is a "classic iconic American kid thing to do."

He says he called Julie Murphy's mother, Maria Fife, to offer his apology and says she appreciated it.

Fife helped her daughter set up a lemonade stand last week at a local arts fair in northeast Portland. They had to pack up and leave after being approached by two inspectors who said the stand lacked a license.

Cogen says while the inspectors were doing their job, the rules are meant for professional food service operators. He adds he ran lemonade stands as a child.
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http://news.yahoo.co...XBvbG9neWFmdGVy

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