Conservative vs. Liberal Thinking

How can one get to "thinking" without first going through "feeling"?

 

Quite simple actually. Somebody pulls a card out of a deck. Conservative looks at it and without hesitation proclaims it to be a spade.

The liberal has to think about it for a while. Tells us about how it probably wanted to be a heart in the production process..... The card is the same size and shape as all the rest and is just as good as the rest. The hearts, diamonds and clubs should probably be trump cards too. But will never come out and just call it a spade.

What has this extensive thought process gained us? A massive, bloated, government, full of overstaffed agences, complicated rules and regulations (some the agencies themselves don't understand) and multitudes of failed programs that have bankrupted the country. But hey, at least they were thoughtful.

 

Sorry but that is silly if you pull a card out of a deck you instantly know what it is so you cant realy say it is something else unless you are palyaing some sort of bluffing game

 

This why you can fool a conservative so eaily with a simple card trick!

 

Moen. You are FEARFUL, IGNORANT, AND NARROW MINDED. That should probably be enough said for me to wait for your "joyful" response, but I have a feeling you are too dense to even understand a point this blatant.

How is it biased? You've lost so much credibility on this forum you are now in negative range. Simply put (just for you) no author would begin a truly objective article, right out of the gates using terms such as these in the title. It's obvious that their hatred for the right could not even be contained past the writing of the title before it boiled up.

IMHO, liberals are the most fearful, ignorant, and narrow minded group you will ever find. Conservatives want to take charge and handle situations. They want to deal with reality. While liberals would rather beat around the bush and worry about who's offended. Their mind set gets nothing done wastes time, money and resources, and many times gets people killed.
They want to ban all guns so only the criminals can have them. So murderers can freely murder people without fear for their own well being. Conservatives are NOT AFRAID of guns (unlike liberals), they understand them as tools and would rather have the capability to protect themselves immediately and maybe save their own lives. Somebody like you would rather rely on the government, (like you do for everything else) who won't be able to get there before you'd be gunned down.

Just a basic example of how ignorant your article was.

 

As expected, you missed my point. The conservative told you what the card was. Which is ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS NECESSARY. Move on with life.

The liberal wasted time describing everything about it, how they feel about it, how it probably felt, but never provided the basic information that was needed. How is this mindset productive? How is it logical?

 

Again, I asked specifically what biases are obvious and all I get is opinions and name calling. Do you not understand what a bias is? Researchers certainly do and control for it by publishing their work in peer reviewed journals. Your anecdotal "evidence" is nothing more than personal opinion.
My "credibility" in this forum is not the issue nor is it my concern. Making a stupid statement like you have is simply an attempt to rally support for your opinion because your opinion isn't strong enough to stand on its own. I'm sure your like-minded ilk would be all to happy to chime in like nodding bobble head moneys in the rear window on a bumpy road but it only proves that you lack the confidence of your convictions. How sad.
Who is really more fearful, the guy who has to carry a gun to feel safe or the guy who feels safe in spite of not carrying a gun? Your analogy makes absolutely no sense.
Conservatives like you think that they made decisions superior to people who consider all sides of an issue. Any idiot can make a decision. Only a true thinker can come to the right decision based on all the relevant facts. Ignoring most of the factors that go into making the decision in order to make a quicker decision is certainly going to produce far more bad decisions. Remember, YOU voted for George Bush.

 

Even you admiit to considering the fewest possible factors. Conservatives do this all the time. That is why they make lousy academics.

 

The title of the article you posted was name calling! LOL!! You started this BS. You see carrying a gun as being fearful. I would view carrying a gun as being PREPARED. All depends on which term you want to use. If you want to be a condisending academic, I'm sure you would use the term fearful. While most thinking individuals would use "prepared" because that's all it is. Guess what!? I have a few fire extinguishers around the house too!!! I must be "fearful" of my house burning down. I sure hope you don't have any around, since you are fearless!!!

It is shocking to me how an individual could put down another individual for wanting to have tools to deal with life/property threatening situations, that happen thousands of times a day across the country. People getting robbed and killed isn't a myth. It's been well documented. Houses burning down have been well documented. These aren't situations to fear. They are situations to prepare for, thus called BEING PREPARED you imbecile. But you go ahead and call it fear because you are the only intellectual on the board. You are a "notch above" everyone else with such well rounded understanding of both sides. LOL!

 

Why do you feel so threatened? That is the real question here.

 

You posted an article that refers to a study but does not provide even one statistical reference to support any of the claims. Anyone who claims that a group of people has a monopoly on emotions like fear is showing bias. If the study was as comprehensive as claimed, there would be strengths and weaknesses for each group. The article however shows only positive attributes for liberals and only weaknesses for conservatives. That is bias! However my best evidence is that the most liberal person on this forum (Tomclown) already admitted the article is biased. It seems that Tom, no matter how crazy, actually has more character than you do.

Furthermore, this is the second time you have linked some idiotic study about the virtues of liberalism. And again, this one refers to conservatives under the age of 23. People of that age group don't really even have the experience or intellect to understand whether they are conservative or liberal. You last study was about children under 18. Should we give you credit for adding your college kids to your latest study. How about analyzing a study about adults for a change.

So my opinion is not good enough but we should just blindly accept the opinion of the author of that article. The only way the bias of that article is not obvious is if you are the author.

 

Conservatives believe in personal responsibility and a code of morals. Actions have consequences. And less government interference with your daily life is a good thing. They also believe that the money they earn is theirs to keep, and that some jobs should be paid more than others.

Liberals believe that personal responsibility is made up from society, and morals are based on that society. Your actions don't have dire consequences because you were morally just in their mind. And government is the only way to keep people from becoming greedy, self centered beings. They also believe that no matter the job, people should not be paid more because of experience but should be paid based on social status or demographic group to which they belong.

 

Hmmm. Lets pick an example. Ah, here's one:

http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/defense-rests-in-connecticut-home-invasion-case/19698267

"Authorities said Hayes and another ex-convict, Joshua Komisarjevsky, broke into the Petit house, beat Hawke-Petit's husband, William, with a baseball bat (beat him half to death) and forced her to withdraw money from a bank before Hayes strangled and sexually assaulted her. Their daughters, Michaela and Hayley,(also sexually assaulted) died of smoke inhalation (if they were lucky) after they were tied to their beds with pillowcases over their heads and doused with gasoline before the house was set ablaze, according to testimony."

There are people walking amongst us that are less than animals. They either have brain disorders or are just plain that evil. Regardless of the excuse, they can F up your life just like that. Out of the blue. You don't even have to know them.

Now I'm sure you would have liked to try to think things through with the guy in that photo and just talked it over. I would have done my damnedest to put a .45LC slug right between his eyes. (Depending on what floor of my home I was on.) Here's a situation where liberal thinking can cost you your family while conservative thinking might actually at least have a chance of altering the outcome. Notice they didn't do any of this crime with guns. It was baseball bats. And I'm sure the family assumed it could never happen to them in a nice neighborhood.

I guess my question is, how do you not feel threatened? Simply comforted by playing the odds? Good luck to you then.

 

Conservatives want to do everything they can to ensure that you are born. But if you screw up and murder and rape, they want to have you executed. Liberals want to do everything they can to keep you from being born. But once you're born, no matter how heinous your crime, they want to keep you alive.

 

Congratulations jth. You have posted one of THE MOST ASSININE statements I have EVER read on this forum. Take a bow.

You posted your feelings because there certainly was NO thought process involved in your vapidly insane comment.

 

You could have just as easily posted the story of the 10-year old boy that shot killed his 5-year old sister with his father's gun. You could have just as easily have posted the story of the woman who shot an intruder that turned out to be her son coming home unexpectedly from college to surprise her. You could have just a easily have posted the story of the 86-year old man that got into an argument with his wife of 60 years and took out his WWII pistol and shot her in the head. You could have just... Well, you get the idea.

You focus on the news story that justifies your anxiety and best relates to your innate fears. That's not unusual, we probably all do it to some degree but the difference between you and I is that I can put my situation aside and look beyond the individual incident to see the bigger picture. You as a conservative have to focus on one solution and never change your mind. You believe in absolutes and black and white answers while I am able to consider far more variables and come up with solutions that would never cross your mind.

 

You might say that conservatives see themselves as Judge, Jury, and Executioners while liberals see themselves as unwilling to force their values on others and they are also unwilling to play God. How can you respect life that hasn’t been born yet and have so much disregard to life that is already here? You can always lock people up forever but then you have to pay for their existence. Not sure why money trumps life to you guys but it really shouldn’t.

 

Why was my response as expected? unless of course you are assuming that I am of a liberal (US deffinition) persuassion? and you would be wrong my political leanings are center right and have been for years the differece between us though is I am open to ideas that might come from the other direction (if they hold merit) while you can not seem to break out of the mold you have made for yourself.
Over the years I have met and personaly known a number of politicians from both sides of the divide and held many political debates in that time one of the main things I have learnt is not to dismiss something out of hand just because it comes from another political party To do so is blind stupidity to ones own cause.

 

I thought I would put this to the test. Thank you Clembo and Moen, as I have observed this before. You had nooooo response to post #32 thus showing your acceptance of its validity. You chose to comment on post #34, the more on the edge quote(bait). Now would you like to respond to post #32 or remain silent and prove your Marxist beliefs.

 

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