Finally! After Decades of Trying, We have Sanity in Our Health Care System

Please insert gloat here====> We've certainly earned it.

 

So typical of liberal to want more government and move taxes at the expense of people that work and produce in the REAL world. It is so easy to be a liberal when you depend on everybody else's money.

Here's what socialist democrats voted in last night...

1.) A massively engorged government, to the tune of $2.5 trillion in new entitlement spending. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), new entitlement spending in the plan would cost $216 billion by 2019 then increase by 8% every year thereafter.

2.) A "Cornhusker Kickback for All". No, special deals aren’t removed from Obamacare this time around. Instead, this House bill extends new federal funding for Medicaid to all states and BTW, you’re paying for it...that includes you Moen!

3.) A Freight train of taxes, slamming the American people in 2018. You’ve heard of the “Cadillac” tax on high-cost insurance plans? Guess what? It will be pushed back to 2018 and given the way “high-cost” plans will be defined, a large segment of the middle class would get hit with this tax over time when Moen's government deems if your coverage is better than others.

4.) Beware the shape-shifting tax monster. New taxes will take many forms, including taxes on prescription drugs, medical devices (like wheel chairs), and health insurance. Shoot...a tax on tooth brushes is considered because it is a "medical device". Happy Moen??

5.) Unconstitutional mandates, courtesy of Congress. Don’t want to buy health insurance? Congress will penalize and fine you if you don’t, regardless of income. See last line for WHO is going to enforce this mess!

6.) Lights out for small businesses. Companies that hire certain low-income Americans will have to pay $3,000 per employee per year, even if the company offers insurance. Oh, I almost forgot, and if a company employs 50 or more workers, they’ll face higher tax penalties to the tune of $2,000 per full-time employee.

7.) Abortions. You will pay for them, like it or not. B.O.'s executive order is worth as much as toilet paper. The House bill includes major funding for community health centers with no restrictions on federal taxpayer funding of abortions.

8.) Want to play the stock market? Maybe not, after what those idiots did last night. The House bill slaps a 3.8% tax on investment income to pay for this crap.

9.) It’s not a federal system, after all. States will have less power. They’ll no longer have authority to regulate health care premiums . Instead, the federal government will take on the job. States and local governments won’t be able to control their own employee health plans; they’ll have to abide by new federal regulations.

10.) Don't want to buy healthcare? Too bad...you will be FORCED to buy it. If not you will be screwed. How is this socialist going to "police" heathcare? B.O. is going to hire 17,000 ADDITIONAL IRS workers to enforce this mess.

This is how democarts create jobs...never in the private sector with sound fiscal responsibility...but by adding more government at the expense of the individual.

This country is F--ked thanks to the might set of people like B.O. (it stinks) and Moen.

 

Typical sore loser Republican. Typical!

 

Waterloo
March 21st, 2010 at 4:59 pm by David Frum
Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.
It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster. Conservatives may cheer themselves that they’ll compensate for today’s expected vote with a big win in the November 2010 elections. But:
(1) It’s a good bet that conservatives are over-optimistic about November – by then the economy will have improved and the immediate goodies in the healthcare bill will be reaching key voting blocs.
(2) So what? Legislative majorities come and go. This healthcare bill is forever. A win in November is very poor compensation for this debacle now.
So far, I think a lot of conservatives will agree with me. Now comes the hard lesson:
A huge part of the blame for today’s disaster attaches to conservatives and Republicans ourselves.
At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.
Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.
This time, when we went for all the marbles, we ended with none.
Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.
Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan. Could we have leveraged his desire to align the plan more closely with conservative views? To finance it without redistributive taxes on productive enterprise – without weighing so heavily on small business – without expanding Medicaid? Too late now. They are all the law.
No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?
I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

 

Well looks like the law suits are starting now

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2215987420100322?rpc=60

 

Strange just read another report that health care stocks are up!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62L3A520100322?type=globalMarketsNews

I would have thought that if this was soo bad that the market would have collapsed

 

Midas how much of the $2 billion that they recieved in stimulas cash was used for abortions? that also was not coverd by the Hyde Amendment either and while we are on the subject how many abortions have been carried out at community health centers in there 45 year history?

Also read this from the NY Times oh and if you take the time to look quite a few others carry it

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/22/health/policy/22health.html

The White house reached a deal with conservative Dems before the vote, no money to be used on abortions

 

This post, I'm sure, is indicative of gloating going on at the WH right now. Screw the people, screw the Constitution...let's just get this signature piece of legislation passed for the benefit of BO's ego. We can just hope now that whatever debt BO owed to the folks who got him elected is now settled.

 

Well that's the worst job of gloating I have ever seen.
I'm sure it was the president's "ego" that was the imputus for this year-long fight. Why didn't I think of that?

If you go to the Urban Dictionary online here is what you find:

sore los•er
Pronunciation: \sor\ \lü-zer\

1. Someone who can't simply be honorable, by accepting defeat and/or trying again. On the contrary, said individual or group engages in childish pissing and moaning; bitching about how it's not fair and the other side cheated, etc. 2. A sore loser is someone who loses in a fair competition but whines about it on a constant basis, blaming everyone around them for their loss except themselves. Fun to taunt, but no fun to play with. 3. someone who can't take a loss in stride. 4. Anyone in the Republican Party.

 

Let's compare it to a sporting event. If both sides put forth a gallant effort & my team doesn't win, I can accept it graciously and move on. But, on the otherhand, if the winning team has only accomplished victory by cheating (in BO's case by lying, bribery & corruption), well that's a whole different story.

By the way, you never responded to the couple of suggestions I made regarding healthcare reform.

 

I hope it all works out. I have some serious doubts, though, about any plan that throws another 15 million people into that medical cesspool known as Medicaid.

 

You stupid entitlement democrats will DESTROY this country.

Please show me ONE entitlement government program that saved money, delivered a better product/service and was anything "near" projected costs/budget??

Name One...

Your socialized medicine will fail because of socialists have NEVER been anything near budget, NEVER delivered a better product, and NEVER saved money.

And now...we are handing over 18% of our economy to these losers.

So you socialists still think that Medicare and Social Security were delivered as promised and now this government program will drawf these entitlements??

We are F--Ked.

 

BTW...The CBO projected price tag in 1965 for Medicare in 2010 was $60 Billion, prior to passage. Guess how close the government got? The 2010 projected price tag by the CBO this calendar year for Medicare is $480 Billion, and worse yet, we must borrow that from the Chinese. Let's see...our government projects $60 billion but ends up spending $480...just a "bit" off, don't you think??

Gee...a swing and a miss. The government was off by a factor of 8.

Now...this government healthcare program will be WORSE than Medicare and Social Sercurity could ever dream.

You liberal socialists are hopeless. Just stay in your college offices and deny the life you live, because obviously, simple math is just too hard for you to understand.

 

Just a few questions here since you have REALLY fallen off the deep end Midas.

What would $60 billion dollars in 1965 money convert to in 2010?

Next question. In 45 years did any REPUBLICAN administration have a chance to address these growing problems?

So the "Liberal Socialists" are hopeless. Obviously their fault but you're reaching back 45 years for "stats".

Simple math? Unless you can answer my first question it's not so simple. So please answer it. I'm not going to waste my time but $60 billion got you a lot more in 1965 than it does today. Anyone want to question that?

 

Gloat! Gloat! Gloat! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you Fox watchin' right wingers! More to come brother...more to come.
Hey I know!! Tax cuts for the rich....maybe that'll fix it? LOLOLOLOL

 

It was adjusted for inflation you twit...

Republicans only controlled the House from 1994 to 2006, Never the Senate. Read history and learn something for a change

Not reaching back for stats, but PROVING that government entitlements UNDER deliver and COST expondentially more than they ever suggested...

Idiot...

 

If Midas had his way, there would be no such thing as a social program. If you'll notice just about ever major social program happens in response to or shortly after a severe economic downturn. Every severe economic downturn has been on the heels of a Republican administration. The health care bill is no different. It takes people dying in the streets and long bread lines such as we had during the Depression to get this country to enact safety nets for the elderly and the poor. It also takes millions of people with no access to basic health care for this country to enact sensible legislation to address the problem. Perhaps if Republicans would just stop running the country into the ground, we'd have less entitlement programs as a consequence. Social responsibility is the best deterrent to major social programs. Greed and indifference towards the middle class will create entitlement programs left and right. Think about it.

 

You know when Midas has to resort to name calling right from the start, he feels backed into a corner.

Please read and weep: The Republican Revolution or Revolution of 1994 is what the Republican Party of the United States dubbed their success in the 1994 U.S. midterm elections, which resulted in a net gain of 54 seats in the House of Representatives, AND a pickup of eight seats in the Senate. The day after the election, Democratic Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama changed parties, becoming a Republican.
The gains in seats in the mid-term election resulted in (NOW WAIT FOR IT MIDAS) the Republicans gaining control of both the House and the Senate in January 1995. Republicans had not held the majority in the House for forty years, since the 83rd Congress (elected in 1952) Large Republican gains were made in state houses as well when the GOP picked up twelve gubernatorial seats and 472 legislative seats. In so doing, it took control of 20 state legislatures from the Democrats. Prior to this, Republicans had not held the majority of governorships since 1972. In addition, this was the first time in 50 years that the GOP controlled a majority of state legislatures.


Hey Midas, where do bills originate? The House or the Senate....Duh!!!

As just a jab at you Midas. I am so happy that all the people of this country will finally get to enjoy the benefits of proper health care that you and I take for granted. I know how much women and children receiving proper health care must bother you but that is the current state of things and you can either get used to it or move to Canada. No wait, they have national health care already. You can move to Germany, no wait, they have national health care already too. You can move to France, no wait they have national health care as well. Move to China, dang, they have national health care like every other industrialized country too. I guess you'll just have to take your third world mentality to some banana republic where no middle class exists.

 

Moen...Since you are so happy about it, why don't you get a job with the other 15,000 IRS workers that will be added to your socialist party to simply enforce your freakin' "reform". So easy to spend others' money, not your own, isn't it?

So how much MORE do you want Meon? 50-60-70-80-90-100% of one's income to pay for your mess? It's never enough for your socialists, isn't it Meow?

Health care was not broken...if is was, all of these people from other countries (especially Canada) wouldn't be coming to America to get their healthcare. Yes it needed reform...NOT a government takeover that will make Medicaid (failure) and Medicare (failure) and Sociial Security (failure) look like nothing compared to this mess sociialsists are proposing.

You would of thought there would be tort refrom in this 2,700 bill to address trial lawyers that extort money and cause C.Y.A. medicine and procedures to protect from the likes of extortionists like John Edwards, but guess what? Democrats LOVE trial attornies and there is NOTHING to address to the raising costs due to ridiculous lawsuits.

This country is F--Ked

 

Congratulations all you socialist. Karl Marx is celebrating (if you can celebrate where he might be). The annointed one Barack Hussein Obama has successfully went against the will of the American people. But not you moen or you tomco you weren’t fooled at all. Being true marxist that you are, you knew exactly what you wanted except you probably wanted a lot more.

Congratulations to you that voted this socialist into office. Hope you like the change that’s coming. Good doctors will start retiring in droves not wanting any part of forced mandates. Moen and tomco your new doctor will be what is know as “sloppy seconds” enjoy.

Long lines are not so bad, if you are waiting to see a good concert or your favorite sporting event, but to see a doctor is not going to be good, except maybe for the undertakers.

Speaking of undertakers, make sure you tell Grandma and Pops you love them a little extra next time, as they will have to deal with the Obama-Pelosi-Reed DEATH PANELS at their next doctors visit.

You may have stole this battle socialist but the war is far from over.

Seven months and two weeks is what you have Marxist before the people rise up and take this country back.


"The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money." – Margaret Thatcher.