FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150th Birthdays This Coming Year

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:24:55 +1100, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:a6frl41relo7ap55fk6lorbvgg7tfg7aqf@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:37:45 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:lfbrl4thd4fbbs5ako9k817l11aak8eomd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3
>>>>>>>>> <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is
>>>>>>>> flat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a retard is a insult to
>>>>>>>idiots
>>>>>>>and retards everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where is the center?
>>>>>
>>>>>Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages
>>>>>when
>>>>>we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements
>>>>>of
>>>>>science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons
>>>>>everywhere)
>>>>>who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are
>>>>>still
>>>>>idiots who think the Earth is *snickers* 8,000 years old! It baffles me
>>>>>as
>>>>>to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb
>>>>>ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can
>>>>>be
>>>>>religious and not buy into that nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did
>>>> define the center an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.
>>>>
>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?
>>>
>>>I have no idea what you are on about. There is no centre of infinite space
>>>so why are you saying there is a centre?
>>>
>> Because the math gets rather difficult without one. You are the one
>> that stated "Who was the retarded idiot who said that? " to an
>> accurate statement as to the current method of defining referentials
>> within the current space.
>>
>> It isn't hard to understand. Most everything in space is measured with
>> reference to Earth. Therefore that is your center point. It is
>> completely arbitrary but that does not alter the fact the cosmological
>> models use the Earth as the center.
>>
>> Your mistake is confusing actual science with your religious mumbo
>> jumbo.
>>
>Even if that's true it isn't the centre of the universe that ancient people
>thought Earth was and you know it.
>

I don't give a flying fuck about ancient people or what ever dogmatic
bullshit you seem to think is important. The statement you had your
hissy fit about is:
"Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
Universe"

Which is completely and 100% correct. The current cosmological model
places the earth in the center of a spere with a radius of about
15billion light years. This is called the observable universe. In that
universe, which is all that we can measure, the Earth is the center.

It gets better, the observer is the actual center of the observable
universe.

Cosmology says I am the center of the universe. But then again, so are
you.

But with the exception of a couple astronauts, everyone is on Earth,
the Earth is the center of the universe. It is a fact.

However there is a somewhat new theory that may alter that, but that
would require a whole bunch of dark matter and it is unproven, as yet.

 

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:26:49 +1100, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:1cerl4t2p1ff5tsf97eggigl53h02q32a8@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.
>>>>>
>>>>>I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In
>>>>>fact
>>>>>we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not
>>>>>ended.
>>>>>The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you
>>>>>said
>>>>>it
>>>>>is impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?
>>
>> Hrmm, no response, funny that.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which
>>>> you make your measurements.
>>>>
>>>There is no centre period.
>>
>> So here is no reference point in your universe. That must make the
>> math a bit difficult.
>>
>>>
>>>> That would be for the purposes of most cosmological models, the Earth.
>>>> So it is fully correct to define the Earth as the center of the
>>>> universe.
>>>>
>>>Has anyone actually been swayed by the bullshit you post?
>>
>> Is that your refutation? No actual thought, just "yer lying"? Can you
>> prove I am wrong? I gave you the facts, if your simple mind cannot
>> fathom that the center, for the purposes of cosmology, is the origin
>> then that is the fault of your education system or your genetics.
>>
>>>
>>>> Now that you hopefully understand the facts, who would be the
>>>> "retarded idiot" that did not know how referentials within infinite
>>>> space are manufactured.
>>>>
>>>I don't know what your on about
>>
>> That was obvious when you started claiming people are "retarded
>> idiots" for understanding basic astronomical and cosmological
>> concepts. Bloody hell, it is fucking basic geometry.
>>
>>
>>>but you know the people who said Earth was
>>>the centre of the universe thought God made the universe and Earth
>>>especially for us so since humans are so important we are obviously at the
>>>centre of the universe.
>>>
>>
>> So you think modern cosmology and the astrology and religion of bygone
>> eras are the same. That would define "idiot".
>>
>> Hint here "retarded idiot" the main reason the cosmological models
>> define the earth as the center is because distances in the universe
>> are all measured with Earth as the Zero point (aka center). It would
>> be silly to designate some other point as the center and then
>> reference that with some offset to Earth.
>>
>> Now would you care to claim some other bogus pseudo-religious bullshit
>> as your proof?
>>
>This is getting boring. No I don't place any point of the universe as centre
>because the universe is constantly expanding and that would be stupid.
>

And from Earth all observable edges are the same distance away.

 

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these types
>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it is
>pointless debating with them.
>

Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
the observable universe.

"Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
Universe"

Why not try a little research and find out whether or not that
statement is true (it is). Or would that require you to aleviate your
own ignorance?

I do find it interesting tha somehow common scientific knowledge makes
me some sort of flat earther and the ones that keep referring to the
flat earthers think their scientific knowledge is current.

 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:35:20 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.
>>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In
>>>>> fact
>>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not
>>>>> ended.
>>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said
>>>>> it
>>>>> is impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?
>>
>> Hrmm, no response, funny that.
>
>Why does anyone have any responsibility to answer your GROUND SHIFTING?
> B^)
>
>I suggest you take it as a no. B^D
>
>A point of reference for measurements does NOT equate to 'Centre'
>
>Let me introduce you to Mr Line.
>
>0--------------------C---------------p-----
>
>
>Point "P" is measured from Origin "O" , which is not the centre "C"
>of the line.
>
>Next week we introduce you to Mr Cartesian plane.. and then
>
>n-dimensional space.
>
>
>Bring your protractor, you will be asked to demonstrate the CENTRE!
>
>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!
>
>
>
>Tell me, a bright young turnip like you must have heard of Klein's
>bottle, one of many interesting topological structures...
>
>when did you decide to emulate it;
>
>
>http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html
>
>
>
>>
>>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which
>>>> you make your measurements.
>>>>
>>> There is no centre period.
>>
>> So here is no reference point in your universe.
>
>No, there are as many as you like. Why do you try and pretend they
>are the centre of the Solar System, the Galaxy or any other known
>feature of the Cosmos?
>
>I suggest you start at GO, do not collect $200.
>
> > That must make the
>> math a bit difficult.
>
>If math depended on you finding the Centre of the Universe before
>we measured the distance from London to Bath, or Uranus from Sol
>we would be in considerable difficulty!

Now, would you like to try that using cosmology and the observable
universe where all edges are 15 billion lightyears from Earth?

 

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these
>>types
>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it
>>is
>>pointless debating with them.
>>
>
> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
> the observable universe.
>
> "Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
> Universe"
>
Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe. Just
because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff
doesn't make it so.

 

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:27:52 +1100, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these
>>>types
>>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it
>>>is
>>>pointless debating with them.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
>> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
>> the observable universe.
>>
>> "Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>> Universe"
>>
>Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe. Just
>because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff
>doesn't make it so.
>

What weird world do you live in where you think your hissy fit of
utter ignorance was right and I agree? Earth is the center and no
amount of whining on your part alters the observable facts.

Maybe you can convince the observable universe to change and then we
will not be at the center.

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:25:53 GMT, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>> Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>
>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA
>>
>>
>> Ask that Idiot, "Grand Ultima generalissimo Axel Insane Verbooti",
>> (clearly a Big Sy Baba fan ;-) who says Earth is at it! B^D
>>
>> What IS clear is that any body ORBITITING around another body,
>> IS NOT IT! B^D
>
> Why not?

Because an arbitrary origin is not a centre! B^]

I hope you enjoyed meeting Mr Line in a previous post,
let's wander about Mr Cartesian Plane and see what we can find! B^D


| o The centre of object 'o' defined by
----- x,y coordinates(1,1) and radius r is not
| the arbitrary origin by which it was defined.


I killed a dragon, and the Kings reward is my own Kingdom,
defined by how far I can walk in a fixed time period.

I walk 20 k east because that's fertile farmland,

I walk 5 k nor' nor' west because that's the best port on the coast

I walk 7 k sou' sou' West to include the gold mines,
but not the western Desert...

finally I walk 15k sou' south East to include some pristine tree covered
mountain wilderness with crystal clear rivers and wild game.


What was my origin? Why is the origin, the reference point, not the
centre of my new kingdom? B^)

If I had navigated using a Star as my fixed reference point,
would that be the centre of my Kingdom? B^)

Can anyone with grade school math explain why not to 'Ratzio!? B^D

Oh, lets call the star Sol, because Axel's mum just invented
space travel and next episode we are moving into 3,4 and then
n -dimensional space

> It is an arbitrary point of reference

It certainly is. I could have started ANYWHERE, including the geometric
centre.. but I didn't need to start at the geometric centre to have
an arbitrary reference point, or origin.

> and has nothing to do with any other body.
> Unless you are defining the other body within the
> structure it is not relevant.
> All rotation does is alter the angle
> with respect to the zero point.

And what does that have to do with the centre? B^)

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

Seon Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> news:a6frl41relo7ap55fk6lorbvgg7tfg7aqf@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:37:45 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lfbrl4thd4fbbs5ako9k817l11aak8eomd@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3
>>>>>>>>> <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is
>>>>>>>> flat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a retard is a
>>>>>>> insult to
>>>>>>> idiots
>>>>>>> and retards everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where is the center?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark
>>>>> ages
>>>>> when
>>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the
>>>>> advancements
>>>>> of
>>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons
>>>>> everywhere)
>>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are
>>>>> still
>>>>> idiots who think the Earth is *snickers* 8,000 years old! It
>>>>> baffles me as
>>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he
>>>>> dumb
>>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you
>>>>> can be
>>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did
>>>> define the center an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.
>>>>
>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?
>>>
>>> I have no idea what you are on about. There is no centre of infinite
>>> space
>>> so why are you saying there is a centre?
>>>
>> Because the math gets rather difficult without one. You are the one
>> that stated "Who was the retarded idiot who said that? " to an
>> accurate statement as to the current method of defining referentials
>> within the current space.

No, calling an arbitrary reference point the Centre of the Universe
is what is being mocked!

Oh, and Axel.

And you. B^)

>> It isn't hard to understand.

Not when people read your posts! B^D

>> Most everything in space is measured with
>> reference to Earth.

Everything In my state used to be measured by the distance from the
Capital City GPO, it wasn't the centre of the state, just the arbitrary
origin for measurement. Now it's measured by reference
to a signal from a geo-stationary satellite.. are we outside your
known universe? B^D

How have you determined that space extends equidistant from any
arbitrary reference point, and in particular the one you have chosen?

How do you know you have counted all those doing measurements in the
Universe.

How many have you actually surveyed? ;-)

>> Therefore that is your center point.

"Things fall apart, your centre cannot hold.." B^D


And your centre point when your height from the ground is measured?

Yours is the only Chakra with gravel rash! B^D


>> It is completely arbitrary
>> but that does not alter the fact the cosmological
>> models use the Earth as the center.

"The Galactic Center is the rotational center of the Milky Way galaxy"

Looks like you would miss the centre by quite a few light years! B^D

Tell me, from any point in the solar system, when asked to point
to the centre of the Solar System, do you point toward Earth or Sol? B^)

Even when standing on Venus?

>> Your mistake is confusing actual science with your religious mumbo
>> jumbo.

No, religion hasn't been mentioned, except by you and your Vatican
Geocentric cosmology! B^D

So, what religious mumbo jumbo? You are the only one claiming
to speak on behalf of 'the cosmological models' which includes
all the ancient religious Geocentric models.

The universe is expanding, there is no Centre.

> Even if that's true it isn't the centre of the universe that ancient
> people thought Earth was and you know it.

 

"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:vikrl49jukn4s0dc1j6lf51msq2b5a4d8c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:27:52 +1100, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>>
>>
>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these
>>>>types
>>>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it
>>>>is
>>>>pointless debating with them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
>>> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
>>> the observable universe.
>>>
>>> "Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>> Universe"
>>>
>>Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe.
>>Just
>>because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff
>>doesn't make it so.
>>
>
> What weird world do you live in where you think your hissy fit of
> utter ignorance was right and I agree? Earth is the center and no
> amount of whining on your part alters the observable facts.
>
Right so a infinite universe has a centre sure and Earth is really flat and
8,000 years old *rolls eyes*

 

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Aratzio misrepresents the "cosmological models":
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:46:48 GMT, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>> Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a retard is a insult to
>>>>>> idiots and retards everywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So where is the center?
>>>>>
>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages when
>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements of
>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons everywhere)
>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are still
>>>> idiots who think the Earth is *snickers* 8,000 years old! It baffles me as
>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb
>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can be
>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.
>>>>
>>> So, you can't define the center,
>> He never attempted to, Axle Insane, and you apparently,
>> are the only ones pretending that it can be defined and that
>> it could be Earth!!!! B^D
>
> Maximum obsevable space is 15 billion light years in every direction
> from Earth. Therefore within the "observable universe" we are
> precisely at the center.

Brilliant explanation of how you are the centre of the Gobi desert,
no matter where you stand! Unless there is a sandstorm to the West!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!


> There is a clue there but I am guessing you
> are not smart enough to figure it out.

Geocentrism is a product of ego and anthropocentrism, not science.

>>> yet you are calling someone that did
>>> define the center an idiot.
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>
>> Only because he IS an idiot, possibly as big an idiot as you! B^D
>>
>> Explain how the Centre the Universe can orbit around the Sun!? B^]
>
> Explain how is cannot.

Let me rephrase the question.. 'Explain IN ENGLISH how the
CENTRE of the universe ORBITS AROUND the sun?..."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Look I know you are rattled! Clearly you have fallen at the
first hurdle.

> Explain why the observed space ends in every
> direction at the same distance from Earth.

Answer my question and then PROVE that it does
end in every direction, first.

> If I get all sciency on you
> your gonna get all cornfuzelled and then you'll be posting more
> ignorant gibberish.

Like that example from you? B^]

>>
>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism
>
> Sad, that isn't "current cosmologyl", cupcake.

Sad that I had to tell you that and you had to pretend to
correct me by repeating it, fruitcake!

You claimed, and I quote:

"that does not alter the fact the cosmological
models use the Earth as the center."

You lied to us, Aratzio, the cosmological models are clearly varied,
and do not all support your Vatican Geocentrism, in fact it was
disproved by the empirical evidence!

I merely presented one cosmological model which invalidated your claim! 8^o

I made no claims about that model, in fact I critiqued it, below:

You must learn to deal with the FACTS, and not your erroneous
assumptions about them! B^)

> You do know the
> difference between history and current?

Do you know the difference between dealing with an argument put to you,
once you have understood it, ...and wrestling a straw man of your own
invention? B^)

It is always telling when a cretin pounces after the first line
of a complex proof, makes false ASSUMPTIONS about what argument is
going to be, and wrestles their own straw-man.

Let me paint it for the reader so they can see how misguided you
are about the observable universe of this discussion, because I can
change your centre, simply by removing your blinkers! B^D

Heliocentrism was clearly not put as an alternative to your
Geocentrism, merely to disprove your false claim that "the cosmological
models use the Earth as the center."
This is clear from the comment below.. so lets
see your reaction to my rejection of Heliocentrism...

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geoz_wb_en.svg
>>
>> The Geocentric model was disproved, from empirical observations
>> some centuries ago.. you seem to be a particularly slow-witted dolt
>> and have not yet caught up with the news!

That's your ancient cosmology dealt with, centuries ago.

The Sun does not revolve around the Earth, The Earth orbits the sun.

Ergo The earth cannot be the centre of any physical space larger than
the Solar system.

No claim is made, by me, that the Sun is the centre of the Universe,
there is none.

Note, the limited Empirical evidence from deep space
observations is not necessary.
However it supports the abandonment of your Vatican Cosmology
because our solar system also revolves around a distant galactic centre!
B^D

Here we are:

>> [Note: the Heliocentric model does not put Sol at the centre of the
>> universe, or even at the geometric centre of the Solar System, as the
>> planet's orbits are elliptical. ]

viz, there was no claim that Heliocentrism was a cosmology which
I was advancing, merely that your claim "the cosmological
models use the Earth as the center" was a lie, not a fact.

>
> A truly a pathetic maundering and so incredibly wrong.

Your attempt to misrepresent Heliocentrism as a cosmology
I was asserting, surely was.

You only have to explain how the 'centre of the Universe'
has an elliptical orbit around two foci which it does not occupy.

{snicker}

I'm sure you have empirical evidence that the other planets, the
observable stars, galaxies and distant radio emitters all
maintain the same elliptical orbit around Earth. B^)

If not the earth can never be the centre. B^)

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe

> Since we were speaking of the "current cosmology"

The reason people are clutching the walls and standing
in the door-frames is because we all just felt the Ground Shift!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA

"the fact the cosmological
models use the Earth as the center." has somehow become
a SINGULAR rather than a plural, AFTER I showed the
original was a lie.

You owe us all an apology.

> and not astronomy
> you will find that to be the correct link.

Any link to a cosmology is the correct link when
you claim "the cosmological models use the Earth
as the center."

> You can thank me later.


Thanks for demonstrating you have no consistent argument.

Once an internal contradiction is established in a theory,
no further empitical proof of it's falsity is required.




>> However, as the planets shown do orbit Sol, how can any of them be
>> the centre of our Solar system? and therefore of any larger
>> meta-structure, such as our galaxy, where we spin on one of the
>> spiral arms, or the universe, or even the backs of the turtles
>> which you and Alex Insane seem to think it all rests upon!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA
>
> Because gibbering fool,

Insult after ground-shifting, after being caught out!

You really are folding faster than deckchairs on the Titanic! B^D

> you are confused by the fact you have not even
> the vaguest of clues what the phrase "current cosmology" meant

It means your claim "the cosmological models use the Earth as the
center." has ground-shifted AFTER i have shown that it is false.

> and are
> wandering around willy nilly spewing unrelated astrological
> observations as if they are somehow germane to the

"cosmological models " we are discussing.. it sure is!

There are many of them, but you are clearly ignorant of that,
and thus have tried to ALTER the ambit of discussion which YOU
had previously used.

The discussion is about the your claim that there is a centre
to the universe, and that Earth is it.. now that you are floundering
you seek to redefine the subject, then, contradicting yourself,
redefine it further, AND attempt to exclude all observational
evidence and rational argument.. leaving you only to post
web links which you clearly don't even understand and cannot
explain.

Go on, Lightweight, "get all sciency" let's see of you can.

Show everyone how "your gonna get all cornfuzelled" B^D

instead of "posting more ignorant gibberish."

> current cosmology.

Every position has its own observable universe.

The comoving distance from Sol to the edge of the visible universe (also
called particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion
light-years) in any direction.'

The comoving distance from Earth to the edge of the visible universe
(also called particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion
light-years) in any direction.'

As the earth orbits around the Sun, the precise centre is closer to the sun.

>>> What is the center of an infinite space?
>>
>> Certainly not orbiting around a point, or two. B^)
>
> Yes it is. The observable universe is a sphere centered upon the
> observer. Which makes the Earth the cosmological center of the
> universe.

Oh, do try and keep up with the Cosmological argument, you self-
contradicting dolt!

" Every position has its own observable universe."

According to your LATEST shifting position any observer is the
centre of the universe.

> Screaming about astronomy does not alter how cosmology works.

Screaming? you can't even accurately observe the universe of laughter!
B^D

Internal contradiction means your argument doesn't work.

Pretending you have understood current cosmology just makes you look
sillier!


>> Halfway between your ears, perhaps? B^D
>
> Want to try it sing the correct field of science

You can tap dance it or do the dance of the flaming arseholes,

But until you master the Universe of observable ENGLISH, you
are just an observer from the planet Gibber, the alternative
Centre of the Universe. apparently!

According to your latest misrepresentation of 'the cosmologies'
B^D


> thsi time,

The time? 10:08 EST, fruitcake..

can't you pretend Cosmologists afford a decent chronometer?

BEWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA

Another of your imaginary dimensions, to go with your
singular/plural cosmologies!? B^D

> cupcake?

no thanks, too close to bedtime, all that sugar might
give me a glucose high and make me babble, like you. B^)


> Aside: Why is it these fucckwits from alt.atheism are so incredibly
> ignorant of general science?

I think it's because you are all stuck back with Vatican Geocentrism
as one of your "Cosmologies", Sad really, after centuries the Vatican
has apologised to Galileo, I guess your news parchment just hasn't
arrived yet!

B^D

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>> I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these types
>> are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it is
>> pointless debating with them.
>>
>
> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
> the observable universe.


No, Current Cosmology places the Observer at centre of the observable
universe!

What does 'the Earth' observe? pffft!

Dealing with you scientifically illiterate pagan animists and rock
worshipping Geocentrists is tiresome! B^p


> "Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
> Universe"

No, current Cosmology places the *OBSERVER* at the centre of the
observable universe.

If they are on the moon "Current Cosmology places THEM, not the Earth as
a centre of the *observable* universe!

Q.E.D.

As we continue to travel in space you will continue to be more
wrong about the EARTH that you already are.. and if we encounter
other intelligences they will join me in laughing at you.


It seems I have had to teach both you and Axel Insane
that difference between "Cosmological models",
'the Cosmological model", "the Current csomological
model" and "Most Cosmological models" which you have
used interchangeably!

you have confused "the Earth" with "the Observer"
and The Centre with a centre among many.

You have had 3 distinct and self-contradictory positions
ground shifting from

a) Position 1 'Please feel free to point out the center
of an infinite space.' duh, no thanks! B^D to..

Position 2. "that does not alter the fact the cosmological
models use the Earth as the center." and then
when at least one cosmological model proved you were lying
you ground-shifted again to insist only ONE cosmological
model should be considered..
although you continue to simultaneously refer to
'most cosmologies' B^D

Since then, as internal inconsistency invalidates your
cosmological argument. I have been playing with you.

It's been fun.. I have a nice Einstein Thought Experiment
you might enjoy!

> Why not try a little research and find out whether or not that
> statement is true (it is).

No it isn't. the Earth is not an observer.
And an Observer is not the Earth.

Why would anyone undertake research, you won't consider
Astronomical evidence or reason, you are only capable
of dogmatic and inaccurate repetition of a flawed
understanding of Cosmological theories.

>
> I do find it interesting tha somehow common scientific knowledge makes
> me some sort of flat earther

Well if you got it right he might have called you a 'flat-observer'
but as you confuse the two..... B^D

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

On Jan 2, 1:04?am, Aratzio <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
> <seo...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Aratzio" <a6ahly...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of
> >> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
> >> <seo...@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>
> >>>"Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> >>>> <fasgn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
> >>>>>>>> Universe,
>
> >>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>
> >>>Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a retard is a insult to
> >>>idiots
> >>>and retards everywhere.
>
> >> So where is the center?
>
> >Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages when
> >we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements of
> >science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons everywhere)
> >who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are still
> >idiots who think the Earth is *snickers* 8,000 years old! It baffles me as
> >to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb
> >ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can be
> >religious and not buy into that nonsense.
>
> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did
> define the center an idiot.
>
> You said they were wrong, now prove it.
>
> What is the center of an infinite space?

First off, space isn't infinite. All points in space are accelerating
away from all other points in space, beginning with a singularity in
which it is meaningless to talk about spacial or temporal dimensions.
Thus there have always been limits. And that's putting aside entirely
the question as to whether we live in an open, closed, or flat
geometry, which makes the matter more complex.

The center of the universe is where the big bang occurred. And since
the CBR (the residual noise of the big bang) is completely uniform,
ALL points in space are the point at which the big bang occurred.
Making where you're standing the center of the universe. Or where I'm
standing. Or Mars. Or the Sun. Or Rigel, the Andromeda galaxy, or
some Quasar 8 billion light years away.

If you want to dispute the big bang, you're going to have to invoke
all sorts of exotic ideas such as tired photos (as an explanation for
the red shift) and come up with an alternative method of baryogenesis,
which as far as we know can only occur in human-made circumstance or
in the very young universe of big bang cosmology.

--
Axel | D.A.R. | mhm23x3 | GS11
Meower since 1996-03-30 (wave 2.3) | mhm since 1998-06-18
Denizen of alt.food.dennys | Father of alt.food.mentos
Grand Ultimageneralissimo of the Shock and Awe wing of the Usenet
Flame Force / Defensive Alliance

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:22:36 GMT, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>> Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.
>>>>
>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In fact
>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not ended.
>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said it
>>>> is impossible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?
>> No, an origin for co-ordinates need not be a centre,
>> and elliptical orbits have two foci, not a centre,
>> (unless the foci coincide, producing a circle), for example:
>>
>> | O
>> -------
>> |
>>
>> The eliptical orbit "O" can be described by any set
>> of points (x,y) in the Cartesian plane satisfying an equation of the form:
>>
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/4/b/94bc0fbfc1ace2e887afbc22be6d3520.png
>>
>> where a and b are any positive real numbers.
>
> What happens if all measurements indicate your point of observation is
> the same distance from all observable ends?


And that is the case for every observation point!

All those on the Earth, the Moon.. during space travel!

So much for 'THE centre' being Earth!


As every observer is the same distance
from all observable ends, it
is absurd to claim any ONE is "THE" centre. B^)

Now, if we note that observation point A orbits around
observation point B.

Which one is 'THE 'centre'?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA

And when astronauts leave the Earth, you cannot speak of
'THE centre' of the universe.

You can only speak of a centre of the observable universe,
for each observer.

Do you need to consult one or more 'Cosmologies' before
you decide which ones you have to abandon this time!? B^ ]

Listen, if you are IN the observable universe, (I make no
assumptions ;-) you might like to take a little Einstein
thought experiment to prove it..

I suggest in your case you use a rope, (to make sure you
don't fly off into the void) or a garden hose....

Get Axel Insane to stand in the middle of your yard and hold
one end of the rope, and taking hold of the other end, stretch it
between you, and then start slowly circle-ambulating him.

Now, both observe your observable universe. it should
be almost identical ...neither of you can see through the fence
both of you can see the clouds. If you live in the Gobi desert
or are on a Sea Cruise, the horizon will be equidistant

Now, you tell Axel to close his eyes so you are the only
observer and then ask him who is the centre of his
observable universe!


I love playing with you guys.

Can we have a session on Wave/particle nature of light? B^)

Would you like to pet Shroedingers cat? B^D

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

Aratzio wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:35:20 GMT, in the land of
> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
> got double secret probation for writing:
>
>> Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:36:47 +1100, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:sjbrl45gs0jjqd2gvl6c2t5g7breed098b@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:27:00 +1100, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:t18rl4hh0g7ad1ncjunrqe79bulm908o3u@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.

That was 'Ratzios first position!

Position 2 was
" the fact the cosmological models use the Earth as the center."

Well, the Vatican's Geocentric cosmological model does! B^D

But Aratzio won't accept Galileo's Astronomical evidence that
refuted that cosmology... and after I presented him with other
cosmological models eg Heliocentrism, which falsified his position,
he ground-shifted to "the cosmological model", "the Current Cosmological
model" and "most cosmological models" B^D

He still can't decide on his Cosmocomical model de jour!


>>>>>> I never said the universe had a centre. It is constantly expanding. In
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>> we are in the aftermath of the big bang. It, like evolution, has not
>>>>>> ended.
>>>>>> The centre of the universe for now will change in a second so as you said
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> is impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Would you define the center as a point of reference for measurements?

Every time he tried to actually make an argument, rather than just
post a reference to a web site he clearly hasn't understood, he
made a fool of himself:

>>> Hrmm, no response, funny that.
>> Why does anyone have any responsibility to answer your GROUND SHIFTING?
>> B^)
>>
>> I suggest you take it as a no. B^D
>>
>> A point of reference for measurements does NOT equate to 'Centre'
>>
>> Let me introduce you to Mr Line.
>>
>> 0--------------------C---------------p-----
>>
>>
>> Point "P" is measured from Origin "O" , which is not the centre "C"
>> of the line.

That was fun!

After that he suddenly stopped making 'non-cosmological' argument!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA!


>> Next week we introduce you to Mr Cartesian plane.. and then
>>
>> n-dimensional space.
>>
>>
>> Bring your protractor, you will be asked to demonstrate the CENTRE!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tell me, a bright young turnip like you must have heard of Klein's
>> bottle, one of many interesting topological structures...
>>
>> when did you decide to emulate it;
>>
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/townsville_taliban/endoscope.html
>>

After that rout Aratzio became a minimalist, small target,
refusing to answer questions:

>>
>>>>> Since there is no center, the arbitrary center is the point from which
>>>>> you make your measurements.
>>>>>
>>>> There is no centre period.

He was still intimating SINGLE reference points to the universe,
the old Roman Catholic Geocentrism:

>>> So here is no reference point in your universe.
>>
>> No, there are as many as you like.


As many as there are observers! NOT as many as there
are physical objects:

>> Why do you try and pretend they
>> are the centre of the Solar System, the Galaxy or any other known
>> feature of the Cosmos?

He still is, he confuses 'the Earth' with the Observer!


>> I suggest you start at GO, do not collect $200.
>>
>>> That must make the
>>> math a bit difficult.
>>
>> If math depended on you finding the Centre of the Universe before
>> we measured the distance from London to Bath, or Uranus from Sol
>> we would be in considerable difficulty!

Having made NO reference to cosmology and failing to refute
my evisceration of HIS non-cosmological argument, and ignoring
any question put to him.. he invited ME to make his argument
for him! B^)

> Now, would you like to try that using cosmology

Not till you find out which one is your Cosmology de jour!

This has been much more fun!

> and the observable
> universe where all edges are 15 billion lightyears from Earth?

Or the Moon, if that's where the observer is! B^D

 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:55:13 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:25:53 GMT, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> Aratzio wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:44:52 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to point out the center of an infinite space.
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAA
>>>
>>>
>>> Ask that Idiot, "Grand Ultima generalissimo Axel Insane Verbooti",
>>> (clearly a Big Sy Baba fan ;-) who says Earth is at it! B^D
>>>
>>> What IS clear is that any body ORBITITING around another body,
>>> IS NOT IT! B^D
>>
>> Why not?
>
>Because an arbitrary origin is not a centre! B^]

If I call the center, it is the center. It is "arbitrary".

>

<snip irrellevancies>

The Earth is the center of the observable universe. No amount of hand
waving and claiming that astronomy overrides cosmology alters that.

 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:32:54 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
got double secret probation for writing:

>Seon Ferguson wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a6frl41relo7ap55fk6lorbvgg7tfg7aqf@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 17:37:45 +1100, in the land of
>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lfbrl4thd4fbbs5ako9k817l11aak8eomd@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of
>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3
>>>>>>>>>> <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is
>>>>>>>>> flat?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a retard is a
>>>>>>>> insult to
>>>>>>>> idiots
>>>>>>>> and retards everywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where is the center?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark
>>>>>> ages
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the
>>>>>> advancements
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons
>>>>>> everywhere)
>>>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> idiots who think the Earth is *snickers* 8,000 years old! It
>>>>>> baffles me as
>>>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he
>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you
>>>>>> can be
>>>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, you can't define the center, yet you are calling someone that did
>>>>> define the center an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what you are on about. There is no centre of infinite
>>>> space
>>>> so why are you saying there is a centre?
>>>>
>>> Because the math gets rather difficult without one. You are the one
>>> that stated "Who was the retarded idiot who said that? " to an
>>> accurate statement as to the current method of defining referentials
>>> within the current space.
>
>No, calling an arbitrary reference point the Centre of the Universe
>is what is being mocked!
>
>Oh, and Axel.
>
>And you. B^)
>
<snip more hand waving>

The Earth is a arbitrary point in an infinite space.

All observations indicate a sphere.

All measurements to the observable ends are the same.

The Earth is the center of the uninverse.

It does not matter whether the Earth rotates a potato, that has no
bearing upon the observable universe.

 

Re: FlonkNews: Darwin's 200th and _On the Origin of Species_' 150thBirthdays This Coming Year

On Jan 2, 8:07?am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Can we have a session on Wave/particle nature of light? ?B^)

What's so interesting about that? Photons, or any other wave/
particles, are simply probablistic vibrations in the quantum field
medium. If your puny brain can't manage to "resolve" this non-
paradox, tough luck for you.

>
> Would you like to pet Shroedingers cat?

As far as the cat is concerned, she's immortal.

--
Axel | D.A.R. | mhm23x3 | GS11
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Denizen of alt.food.dennys | Father of alt.food.mentos
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Flame Force / Defensive Alliance

 

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:59:20 +1100, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
<seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:

>
>
>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:vikrl49jukn4s0dc1j6lf51msq2b5a4d8c@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:27:52 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:61jrl4dhu0mcck0a37stihlvumj0g0plcb@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>>I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these
>>>>>types
>>>>>are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it
>>>>>is
>>>>>pointless debating with them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
>>>> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
>>>> the observable universe.
>>>>
>>>> "Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>> Universe"
>>>>
>>>Good then we both agree that Earth isn't at the centre of the universe.
>>>Just
>>>because it seems to be the centre when we look out at the stars and stuff
>>>doesn't make it so.
>>>
>>
>> What weird world do you live in where you think your hissy fit of
>> utter ignorance was right and I agree? Earth is the center and no
>> amount of whining on your part alters the observable facts.
>>
>Right so a infinite universe has a centre sure and Earth is really flat and
>8,000 years old *rolls eyes*
>

No, the Earth is an arbitrary point within an infinite space. The
universe is an observable sphere. Within the observable sphere the
Earth is the center, equidistant from all edges of the sphere.

Keep trying, you might make geo science overrule cosmology. Then again
you can keep burying you head in the sand and comparing "current
cosmology" to flat earth thinking. That ability to ignore the current
science always works so well.

Why not try using 21st century cosmology as the science to attack 21st
century cosmology rather than using 15th century astrology as you are
now. Copernicus and Gallileo were correct about local space. However
their science was nascent astronomy not cosmology.

The universe is a sphere. All edges of the universe are equidistant
from the observer. The observer is on Earth. The Earth is the center
of the universe. See how that works?

 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:13:26 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio misrepresents the "cosmological models":
>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:46:48 GMT, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
>> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> Aratzio wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:25:36 +1100, in the land of
>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> "Aratzio" <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v28rl4tq1o649vqkr15le6uv1aub3bkda9@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:47:01 +1100, in the land of
>>>>>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>>>>>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:495d9bc6$0$22083$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>>>>>> <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:c90681cc-2027-430a-a7b5-e6bc893e229f@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 1, 6:35 am, Axel Hussein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 31, 2:16 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Axel Insein Yerbouti mhm23x3 <mhm2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Current cosmology *does* place the Earth at the center of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Universe,
>>>>>>>> Who was the retarded idiot who said that? What next the Earth is flat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wait I take it back calling them an idiot and a retard is a insult to
>>>>>>> idiots and retards everywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where is the center?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not Earth that's the kind of bullshit people said back in the dark ages when
>>>>> we were ignorant and didn't have science. Yet even with the advancements of
>>>>> science they are still morons (again that's a insult to morons everywhere)
>>>>> who still hold onto those primitive superstitious beliefs, they are still
>>>>> idiots who think the Earth is *snickers* 8,000 years old! It baffles me as
>>>>> to why some people still cling to those beliefs that belong tot he dumb
>>>>> ages. I mean religion is ok if it gives you hope and stuff but you can be
>>>>> religious and not buy into that nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>> So, you can't define the center,
>>> He never attempted to, Axle Insane, and you apparently,
>>> are the only ones pretending that it can be defined and that
>>> it could be Earth!!!! B^D
>>
>> Maximum obsevable space is 15 billion light years in every direction
>> from Earth. Therefore within the "observable universe" we are
>> precisely at the center.
>
>Brilliant explanation of how you are the centre of the Gobi desert,
>no matter where you stand! Unless there is a sandstorm to the West!
>
>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!
>
>
> > There is a clue there but I am guessing you
>> are not smart enough to figure it out.
>
>Geocentrism is a product of ego and anthropocentrism, not science.
>
>>>> yet you are calling someone that did
>>>> define the center an idiot.
> >>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>>
>>> Only because he IS an idiot, possibly as big an idiot as you! B^D
>>>
>>> Explain how the Centre the Universe can orbit around the Sun!? B^]
>>
>> Explain how is cannot.
>
>Let me rephrase the question.. 'Explain IN ENGLISH how the
>CENTRE of the universe ORBITS AROUND the sun?..."
>
>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!
>
>Look I know you are rattled! Clearly you have fallen at the
>first hurdle.
>
>> Explain why the observed space ends in every
>> direction at the same distance from Earth.
>
>Answer my question and then PROVE that it does
>end in every direction, first.
>
> > If I get all sciency on you
>> your gonna get all cornfuzelled and then you'll be posting more
>> ignorant gibberish.
>
>Like that example from you? B^]
>
>>>
>>>> You said they were wrong, now prove it.
> >>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism
>>
>> Sad, that isn't "current cosmologyl", cupcake.
>
>Sad that I had to tell you that and you had to pretend to
>correct me by repeating it, fruitcake!
>
>You claimed, and I quote:
>
>"that does not alter the fact the cosmological
>models use the Earth as the center."
>
>You lied to us, Aratzio, the cosmological models are clearly varied,
>and do not all support your Vatican Geocentrism, in fact it was
>disproved by the empirical evidence!
>
>I merely presented one cosmological model which invalidated your claim! 8^o
>
>I made no claims about that model, in fact I critiqued it, below:
>
>You must learn to deal with the FACTS, and not your erroneous
>assumptions about them! B^)
>
>> You do know the
>> difference between history and current?
>
>Do you know the difference between dealing with an argument put to you,
>once you have understood it, ...and wrestling a straw man of your own
>invention? B^)
>
>It is always telling when a cretin pounces after the first line
>of a complex proof, makes false ASSUMPTIONS about what argument is
>going to be, and wrestles their own straw-man.
>
>Let me paint it for the reader so they can see how misguided you
>are about the observable universe of this discussion, because I can
>change your centre, simply by removing your blinkers! B^D
>
>Heliocentrism was clearly not put as an alternative to your
>Geocentrism, merely to disprove your false claim that "the cosmological
>models use the Earth as the center."
>This is clear from the comment below.. so lets
>see your reaction to my rejection of Heliocentrism...
>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Geoz_wb_en.svg
>>>
>>> The Geocentric model was disproved, from empirical observations
>>> some centuries ago.. you seem to be a particularly slow-witted dolt
>>> and have not yet caught up with the news!
>
>That's your ancient cosmology dealt with, centuries ago.
>
>The Sun does not revolve around the Earth, The Earth orbits the sun.
>
>Ergo The earth cannot be the centre of any physical space larger than
>the Solar system.
>
>No claim is made, by me, that the Sun is the centre of the Universe,
>there is none.
>
>Note, the limited Empirical evidence from deep space
>observations is not necessary.
>However it supports the abandonment of your Vatican Cosmology
>because our solar system also revolves around a distant galactic centre!
> B^D
>
>Here we are:
>
>>> [Note: the Heliocentric model does not put Sol at the centre of the
>>> universe, or even at the geometric centre of the Solar System, as the
>>> planet's orbits are elliptical. ]
>
>viz, there was no claim that Heliocentrism was a cosmology which
>I was advancing, merely that your claim "the cosmological
>models use the Earth as the center" was a lie, not a fact.
>
>>
>> A truly a pathetic maundering and so incredibly wrong.
>
>Your attempt to misrepresent Heliocentrism as a cosmology
>I was asserting, surely was.
>
>You only have to explain how the 'centre of the Universe'
>has an elliptical orbit around two foci which it does not occupy.
>
>{snicker}
>
>I'm sure you have empirical evidence that the other planets, the
>observable stars, galaxies and distant radio emitters all
>maintain the same elliptical orbit around Earth. B^)
>
>If not the earth can never be the centre. B^)
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe
>
>> Since we were speaking of the "current cosmology"
>
>The reason people are clutching the walls and standing
>in the door-frames is because we all just felt the Ground Shift!
>
>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
>
>"the fact the cosmological
>models use the Earth as the center." has somehow become
>a SINGULAR rather than a plural, AFTER I showed the
>original was a lie.
>
>You owe us all an apology.
>
>> and not astronomy
>> you will find that to be the correct link.
>
>Any link to a cosmology is the correct link when
>you claim "the cosmological models use the Earth
>as the center."
>
>> You can thank me later.
>
>
>Thanks for demonstrating you have no consistent argument.
>
>Once an internal contradiction is established in a theory,
>no further empitical proof of it's falsity is required.
>
>
>
>
>>> However, as the planets shown do orbit Sol, how can any of them be
>>> the centre of our Solar system? and therefore of any larger
>>> meta-structure, such as our galaxy, where we spin on one of the
>>> spiral arms, or the universe, or even the backs of the turtles
>>> which you and Alex Insane seem to think it all rests upon!
>>>
>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA
>>
>> Because gibbering fool,
>
>Insult after ground-shifting, after being caught out!
>
>You really are folding faster than deckchairs on the Titanic! B^D
>
> > you are confused by the fact you have not even
>> the vaguest of clues what the phrase "current cosmology" meant
>
>It means your claim "the cosmological models use the Earth as the
>center." has ground-shifted AFTER i have shown that it is false.
>
>> and are
>> wandering around willy nilly spewing unrelated astrological
>> observations as if they are somehow germane to the
>
>"cosmological models " we are discussing.. it sure is!
>
>There are many of them, but you are clearly ignorant of that,
>and thus have tried to ALTER the ambit of discussion which YOU
>had previously used.
>
>The discussion is about the your claim that there is a centre
>to the universe, and that Earth is it.. now that you are floundering
>you seek to redefine the subject, then, contradicting yourself,
>redefine it further, AND attempt to exclude all observational
>evidence and rational argument.. leaving you only to post
>web links which you clearly don't even understand and cannot
>explain.
>
>Go on, Lightweight, "get all sciency" let's see of you can.
>
>Show everyone how "your gonna get all cornfuzelled" B^D
>
>instead of "posting more ignorant gibberish."
>
>> current cosmology.
>
>Every position has its own observable universe.
>
>The comoving distance from Sol to the edge of the visible universe (also
>called particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion
>light-years) in any direction.'
>
>The comoving distance from Earth to the edge of the visible universe
>(also called particle horizon) is about 14 billion parsecs (46.5 billion
>light-years) in any direction.'
>
>As the earth orbits around the Sun, the precise centre is closer to the sun.
>
>>>> What is the center of an infinite space?
> >>
>>> Certainly not orbiting around a point, or two. B^)
>>
>> Yes it is. The observable universe is a sphere centered upon the
>> observer. Which makes the Earth the cosmological center of the
> > universe.
>
>Oh, do try and keep up with the Cosmological argument, you self-
>contradicting dolt!
>
>" Every position has its own observable universe."
>
>According to your LATEST shifting position any observer is the
>centre of the universe.
>
>> Screaming about astronomy does not alter how cosmology works.
>
>Screaming? you can't even accurately observe the universe of laughter!
> B^D
>
>Internal contradiction means your argument doesn't work.
>
>Pretending you have understood current cosmology just makes you look
>sillier!
>
>
>>> Halfway between your ears, perhaps? B^D
>>
>> Want to try it sing the correct field of science
>
>You can tap dance it or do the dance of the flaming arseholes,
>
>But until you master the Universe of observable ENGLISH, you
>are just an observer from the planet Gibber, the alternative
>Centre of the Universe. apparently!
>
>According to your latest misrepresentation of 'the cosmologies'
>B^D
>
>
> > thsi time,
>
>The time? 10:08 EST, fruitcake..
>
> can't you pretend Cosmologists afford a decent chronometer?
>
>BEWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAAA
>
>Another of your imaginary dimensions, to go with your
>singular/plural cosmologies!? B^D
>
> > cupcake?
>
>no thanks, too close to bedtime, all that sugar might
>give me a glucose high and make me babble, like you. B^)
>
>
>> Aside: Why is it these fucckwits from alt.atheism are so incredibly
>> ignorant of general science?
>
>I think it's because you are all stuck back with Vatican Geocentrism
>as one of your "Cosmologies", Sad really, after centuries the Vatican
>has apologised to Galileo, I guess your news parchment just hasn't
>arrived yet!
>
>B^D

You idiots believe that "current cosmology" is based upon your beliefs
of Church doctrine.

That is too funny.

The earth is the center of an observable sphere.

Go for it, show that scientist all over the world, like Stephen
Hawking, are working for the Vatican.

 

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:03:29 GMT, in the land of
alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, fasgnadh <fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au>
got double secret probation for writing:

>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:28:15 +1100, in the land of
>> alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, "Seon Ferguson"
>> <seongf@gmail.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>>
>>> I'll bet he's a young Earth theorist as well. I have learnt that these types
>>> are ignorant and have been indoctrinated into their cult so much that it is
>>> pointless debating with them.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, run away, make sure you remain ignorant of actual "current
>> cosmology". That would require you admit that Earth is the center of
>> the observable universe.
>
>
>No, Current Cosmology places the Observer at centre of the observable
>universe!
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>What does 'the Earth' observe? pffft!
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Is the Earth the center of the observable universe?

The answer is yes.

All your bullshit and blathering about the religious doctrine, the
Vatican, astrology and astronomy does not alter the simple fact:

The Earth is the center of the universe.

15 billion light year radius, all measurable distantances to edge the
same, observer is in the center of a sphere.

Keep trying to make this about your fear of religion and I'll just
keep pointing out the that current cosmology measures the Earth as the
center of the universe. You know that pesky science stuff rather than
your fear of the Vatican being right for the wrong reason.