Forgive student loans

This will perhaps help a bit...
www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf has the most recent statistics...

•Those who have graduated in the more distant past, those over the age of 25,are finding it quite a bit easier to find jobs than the recent college graduates. The recent grads in July had a 9.3% unemployment rate when the over the age of 25 set had a 4.7% unemployment rate..
•As they are not now being hired much as the companies that are hiring are now mostly hiring workers they have laid off in past rather than new hires, it is predicted that the the class of 2011 will have the the highest rate of employment for recent grads since the Great Recession began. And those who are black or Hispanic are having an even worse time of it.
•http://www.epi.org/publication/bp306-class-of-2011/

Please read this article to give a face to those who are stuck in this mess as it does show them trying to do whatever they can to get jobs and getting flack from their parents and others who are older and do not understand the job market that they are facing. A little sensitivity to their plight on the part of some people here would be refreshing.​

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/08/college-graduates-jobs-unemployment_n_893495.html​

The unemployment rate for people under the age of 25 is estimated to be at over 54%
It is so bad out there that 85% of the new grads expect to have to return home to their parents, which is something that most kids would rather not do. http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/10/survey-85-of-new-college-grads-moving-back-in-with-mom-and-dad/

The recent graduates are the most indebted ones in history because of the high price of education and the high interest charged on student loans...
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/11...-2011-youre-the-most-indebted-graduates-ever/

 

It makes sense that you would not want to hire an inexperienced person for a manager's job and the new grads probably don't expect that you would nor would the majority of them ever think they were qualified for them...
I did not know your business and still do not when I mentioned the feeling of not wanting to start out at the bottom... I was thinking of them being treated like untrained and unskilled labor after they attained a college degree as this is what bottom of the rung implies... We may be talking about apples and oranges here.
I still do not know how your salary and benefit package for new hires in comparison to other companies in the area . It is good that you have had some retention on the managerial level. I am wondering what it is like for line staff?

 

$8.00 an hour - the military pays better than that especially if you have a college degree.

 

...or if you can't afford college the military is a good way to pay for it...

You brought up a good point in another regard, as well. If I'm not mistaken, if you agree to serve in the military for a certain amount of time, your student loans will be forgiven. Perhaps this is something these folks can check into?

 

No, your stories not making sense probably has more to do with the fact that they are just stories. You know that with the anonymity of the internet that there is no way anyone can prove otherwise and since you have no personal integrity you have no problem making up a story to fit your agenda. I don’t know how you can actually live with yourself and do this but I’m sure that there is some psychologist that could probably explain it in psychological terms the rest of could understand. I actually haven’t believed anything you’ve posted in years. After listening to your conveniently contrived anecdotes over the years, I just lost the ability to listen to the stuff you make up and put an iota of faith in its accuracy. Sorry, like my mom always said, once you lie, nobody will believe you anymore.

 

Oh, so you don't believe me? Oh what will I ever do? My life is over! Or maybe I couldn't care less what you think. Yeah, that's it.

I'm sure people realize you say these things only because real world stories are contrary to the talking points you are told to spew by the far lefties who call the shots. Those of us with actual experience are a threat to your type- ideologues existing in a vacuum with no concept of reality- because we show those naive young co-eds you live to exploit an alternative.

 

Plenty of people, myself included, refuse to give the politicians even more cannon fodder. Killing people for money makes you a mercenary. I have no problem with people joining the military because they feel called, but joining for money just makes you a hired killer.

It amazes me when people so opposed to socialism suggest people join one of the most socialist organizations in existence.

 

I think you'd be "amazed" at any suggestion that would require any real effort.

 

Tell us something new! You don't have a clue what the other side says, wants, means because you don't listen to them.

 

No, what I am really amazed at is the inability of people on these forums, and in America at large, to have a conversation without insults.

 

When there are still two wars going on and there is a strong liklihood that any young person going into the service now will experience physical or mental injuries, I do not believe that joining the military is a good alternative to finding a job. I would discourage my children from doing that if I had any. The risks are far too high.

Doing things that actually assist people in the community makes a lot more sense to me than taking a job which means killing people, blowing things up, and otherwise harming people... (I know that the military also can help people and does but that is not its primary function. )

I have had to counsel those who came back from the wars with closed head injuries and PTSD from their time spent in Afganistan and Iraq. Returning vets are also at a higher risk of having problems with drug and alcohol addiction, domestic violence, suicide, etc. than most members of the population. They also wind up being unemployed often once they leave service as many employers refuse to hire them: "While the national unemployment rate1 was at 9%, rates among veterans2 were found to be 15.2%" .http://militarycme.com/articles/clinical/765

 

It appears you & deeneely both have an aversion to the folks who keep us safe and risk their lives to protect our way of life. I guess that sentiment is prevalent on the left? Sad.

 

I would not say that I have an aversion to people that "keep us safe and risk their lives to protect our way of life." I have respect for them. Yet, I as a woman would not want my son or daughter to join their ranks and I, as a woman, have a hard time understanding why men like starting wars and blowing things up in the first place and why they want to send our young to fight them.

It is not a left thing or a right thing it is, in my case, a female thing. And as I have seen some of the ones who have returned from fighting in these wars and are suffering from PTSD, I as a therapist cannot in good conscience recommend that others enter a profession that is likely to cause such emotional trauma. Again, this is not a left thing or a right thing, this is a therapist thing.

It is a pity when there is an attempt to generalize and to put people into groups that they do not belong in. I am a moderate not on the left or the right... (I feel a strong desire to say, "So there." )

 

There are people on the Right that aren't as extreme as the our resident RW'ers. Unfortunately, you have bumped into one of the extremer extreme RW'ers here. They have to see everyone else that doesn't see things the way they do as the enemy and lump them all into the extremist possible category they can lump them into. They simply need an enemy to focus their anger towards. I generally serve that purpose here and have a good deal of fun doing it. You can't take their views as anything but inspired by fear and loathing. When you realize that they are just frightened little boys, their vitriol and swagger is pretty funny. Sad, but funny too.

 

Thanks for the explanation and the support...
I have noticed that those in the Far Right camp often have a hard time being civil to those whom they believe are on the Left and this is perhaps in part due to people like Rush Limbaugh and others who are not that civil monopolizing the air waves. There are those on the Left who also have difficulty being civil to those on the Right but as I live in the Right Wing stronghold area of my State I do not run into too many of these people. I am like, all people, a mix of things... There are areas that I may swing to the Left on and areas in which I swing to the Right on. And I belive that most people are that way... Even David, if he looks at his beliefs closely, may find that in some areas he may actually agree with those whom he labels as "Liberals."

 

I know in 2010 it was like a third the rate of someone with no HS diploma and half of what the unemployment rate was for high school grads. 15% for no HS diploma, 10% for HS grads, 5% for BS grads. It is another reason - along with their significantly higher lifetime income - why I think we should put our limited public dollars just about anywhere other than bailing out college grads with student loan debt.

 

Public school tuition is rising at an 8.3% rate each year...more than inflation. The schools are also profiting on text book sales (even greater when a faculty member writes the book!), housing, transportation, parking, food, etc. Students are being gouged & the anger is being directed in the wrong direction.

 

I do know that the unemployment rate of unemployed college graduates is 100%. Which is 6 times greater than the unemployment rate quoted among veterans. Although i suspect you'll find that the unemployment rate among veterans with college degrees is not anywhere close to 15.2%. Also the unemployed are at higher risk of having problems with drug and alcohol addiction, domestic violence, suicide, depression, etc. than most members of the population. All I am saying is millitary service is an option for the unemployed college grad saddled with huge student loan debt. The pay is significantly higher than minimum wage, they get healthcare benefits and earn credits which can be applied against the balance of their debt. They become eligible for the GI bill and most importantly bridges the gap between graduation and the 25 year old mark where the unemployment rate for college grads sits below 5%.

 

"You remind me of the guy who blames the car manufacturer for duping people into buying a car because he has to pay the bank note for the next 5 years. A. Buying the car was his choice and, B. He agreed to the terms of the loan before he bought the car. How is that the car manufacturer's fault?" - posted by moen​

More hypocrisy from the left. Apparently moen feels personal responsibility applies to most things, just not those that effect his little piece of the pie.​

 

Thanks for the info on the Graduate unemployment rate, it puts things into perspective
As for joining the armed forces nothing wrong with that as long as the person doing it realises what it entails, simply doing it in the hope of reducing your student loan is not such a good idea
Service life is not for everyone and it is a choice that requires a commitment,so simply telling a unemployed person to sign up is in reality not that good a idea