George Bush apologists

So you want a unconditional Victory? from all your Presidents?

Um lets look back to Gulf war I woops not a unconditional victory by a long way!! Failed to remove Sadam and his Army still Intact

Afghanistan!! well that speaks for itself

Gulf war II Nah again not a Unconditional Victory, got rid of Sadam and opend the door to all the Fanatics to move in!!

Need to go back to 1989 the Invasion of Panama and prior to that the invasion of Grenada (1983) for unconditional victories!
I have discounted the Balkans as that was way to much of a mess for anyone to have got a victory out of it.

 

lehigh i have asked you all politly now stop

 

What are you talking about? There was no insult/attack contained within that post.

 

Actually Gulf War I objective was to drive the iraqies out of Kuwait. This was achieved. Republican guard destroyed.
Gulf War II taking longer than needed. Sadam and sons killed. Would much rather fight the fanatics there rather than here.
Panama and Grenada. We had a leader then.
Afghanistan doubtful due to weak leadership.
You are only as strong as your leader put someone in like Cheney and watch some major ass get kicked.
Reagan did it.If this pansy butt congress would get out the way and let a strong leader step in we could go a long way to start wiping this scum of the planet.

 

We are never going to win any of these wars in the middle east. Some idiot decided that instead of extermination, we should try nation building. That has 0% chance of success. Those people are not at all interested in western civilization or the associated lifestyle that accompanies it.

The United States is unwilling to fight a war that results in collateral damage. Our enemy knows this and purposefully fights a guerilla war using civilians as shields. The moment our military takes out a target that results in civilian casualties, the liberal media here in the US uses the information to futher their anti-war campaign by appealing to the delicate nature of the liberal base. These liberals don't study the teachings of our forefathers such as this quote from Thomas Jefferson.

Our goal in the middle east should not be to form democratic nations. The goal should be the total annihilation of our enemies. Unfortunately, that means that civilians in those countries will have to die along with the political and military enemies. Notice, I did not call them innocent civilians. The muslim terrorist extremist groups hold US citizens responsible for the actions of the US government in their terrorist attacks. We should hold the civilians of middle eastern countries responsible for harboring these extremist groups in their countries. Maybe the threat of United States military action against the entire country and it's population will cause them to take preventative action. Only when the restricition of collateral damage is removed do we have a chance of winning one of these wars. Bomb the infrastructure of the country until they are basically helpless. When they rebuild, destroy it again! The situation on the ground in one of these wars would be so dangerous that no media crew would dare venture into the warzone. If this country can't live with the idea that we need to kill probably millions of people to win one of these wars, we should just admit defeat, pack up and leave.

 

I totally agree. Thats why we need true commander in chief to lead our forces against evil in this world. Drop that H bomb in the desert of Iran and see how fast they comply. Shut off the persian gulf and seize the oil to pay for this war against terrorism. The "innocents" will have to pay the price for allowing these thug dictators to rule their countries which they have for centuries. Freedom is not free. Our people once stood against tyranny and defeated it. Now is the time for all people who love their country and their constitution to rise and be heard. Vote these left wing(can we all just get along) panty waste softy liberals out. Clean the house and the senate of these turds (Reid, Pelosi , Frank, Dodd, Durbin, Specter, Franken,etc.,etc.). Where is our next Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Truman, Churchill, Thatcher, Reagan. These radical muslims do understand one thing and that is force. So lets find that commander with the balls to take the fight to these radicals and God help you if they are in your country.

 

When the people fear the government we have tyranny, when the government fears the people we have liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

 

For the record, I am not in favor of the use of nuclear weapons. That would cut our nose off to spite our face. We have many non nuclear weapons that could accomplish the same goal without turning every other nation in the world against us and risking an escalation with another nuclear power that results in WWIII.

 

Just a warning shot. Do you not agree this would get their attention.

 

It certainly would, along with the attention of every other nation in the world. Presently, the other nations are content to sit on the sidelines and let us do our thing. If we employ Nuclear weapons, they will all band together very quickly to stop us. If we don't backdown immediately, you could easily witness an escalating standoff with another nuclear power that is the prelude to WWIII.

Quite simply, it is not worth the risk just to get their attention. I hope you are not advocating the use of our nuclear arsenal as a first strike weapon.

 

Gulf war I was a failure we allowed Sadam to remain in power to rebuild his forces and to commit attrocities against those we said we would support! oh and those attrocities were carried out by the Republican guard who were not destroyed in the war, badly damaged certainly but not destroyed.
Gulf war II was a war that had no need to happen! Sadam was no threat to America or the UK he had nothing to do with the attack on America, he actualy kept the religious elements in check by killing them!
We created what we faced in Iraq by removing his goverment without a viable opposition to replace him (one exception the Kurdish areas)
I quite agree you did have a good leader at the time of Grenada he even managed to get away with lying to Baroness Thatcher LOL

 

No I'm not advocating a nuclear first strike. Just would use it as a bargaining chip. I disagree that the other nations could stop us if they wanted. We are still the only superpower on the planet. We have fought and defeated Nazis in Europe. We have fought and defeated imperalist in the Pacific. We have fought and defeated Facist in the mediterranean. And what thanks do we get? I will have to give thanks to the UK, Australia,and a few others for their support.
So answer me this? What do you do when we wake one morning to a giant mushroom cloud over Israel?

 

Actualy I am somewhat in agreement with you but I dont think the Russians nor China would be to pleased

 

You criticize leaving Sadaam in power in 1993 yet say he was no threat in 2003. Smelling like hyprocritcy a little bit De Orc.

 

The hell with the Russians and the Chinese. I will have to say Bill Clinton and Algore didnt help with the China situation by giving them 10 years of missle technology and we should of taken care of Putin when the USSR collapsed. Our dear greety congress now has us in a economic mess with the chinese that stinks to high heaven

 

I don; think he was a threat but I don't think he wanted anyone to know he wasn't a threat. I don't think he though anyone would call his bluffs and that he certainly didn't want Iran to know he didn't have anything. Probably figured we'd just enforce the No Fly zones forever and maintain the status quo.

 

But he was dead wrong. I wonder if he got his 72 virgins

 

Actually Jefferson was an isolationist. And he was talking about the fight for freedom in america. Being what he was, I doubt he wouldve gotten us involved in Iraq. So you say we should be as barbaric as the enemy. Is that correct? thats hard for a US ssoldier to do. They are mostly just kids. Why would anyone want them to be savage? And then when do we start up civility again? You are right though, it is the only way to win this war. But thats asking alot. But the ends dont justify the means. EVER. No general or president can ask a soldier to strap some TNT on themselves and walk into a mosque. I was taught we have better standards then other counrties. That we are more more morally just. I dont know how one can say shoot the women and children too. But I know how you feel. I wanted every raghead in the world to die. I wanted the land between Europe and china to become a wasteland. Well except Turky.(they have really good hashish.). But I was that angry seven years ago. I cant stay that angry for this long. Maybe others can. Maybe those folks can suicide-bomb themselves for the sake of defeating the enemy. No one is stopping them. In my religion its a sin to commit suicide.. Which is different than jumping on a grenade to save your buddies. I'd do that. I'd die for God. I'd die for you. But very few people will knowing kill themselves in advance for the sake of victory. And how could one blame them? Real young men and women are dying there and you are mad that more arent doing so. we've been there for one president two term administration. and no victory. We know you dont like Obama. But now you want instant results from a guy who's only been in office a year. Or do you want victory from him. NOW? ''Why isnt he winning?'' ''Why does he hesitate.'' Its not easy making a decision that may cost lives. Lincoln anguished over sending so many men to die. Truman had to make on hell of a decision, dont you think? That move didnt make him a great President. Actually I've voted GOP since Jerry Ford. Except the second election for the 1st Bush. I didnt like the way he slapped the NRA in the face by ripping up his membership card. The only time I broke party lines. I realize you want revenge on those who commited 9/11. but in reality you cant kill all the ragheads, no matter how satisfying it may be.

 

Craig are you against going into afghanistan because of all of them poppies.

 

Thats all ya got out of the post, huh? Oh well. Thats what I like about extremists. No sense of humor.