Interracial Marriage Views

I realize it was kind of poorly worded but I just interpreted it as "Yes" I have nothing against it and "No" I am not for it. I guess that's why Bone isn't in charge of survey development.

 

I should probably stay out of this but I am not going to. What I find most interesting of all in reading the comments is the assumptions that people seem to be making. Of course I may be misunderstanding the written comments. What I mean is this - there are more than 2 races on this planet but it seems that only 1 mix is being discussed - black & white. What about the red, the yellow, the brown - don't they count ?

I am asking that question for what should be an obvious reason to those who know me or those who actually pay attention, for I am myself the result of a mixed race marriage. My father was a Cherokee Indian and my mother was as white they come of German descent.

So, for those who are against the idea - what about white marrying red ? Or black marrying brown ? Or yellow marrying white - or brown, or any other combination you can think of ?

I have always found it interesting that those who are against mixing the races almost always seem to onl y be against mixing another race with their own race. They could care less if an African marries and Australian or an Asian. Or if an Indian marries an American Indian.

Why is that ?

 

Short answer, ethnocentrism.

 

Geeeez - if I had known it was so easy to get you to say so little I would have posted here a lot more often.


Just razzin ya Moen - I couldn't resist

 

well...I didnt think we were discussing just black and white...the comments made earlier were from a white person, he could have been refering only to an objection to a white person mixing race...dont know. In my case I am married to a middle eastern woman (she prefers asian these days)...and I was looking at this issue in regards to any race mixing...

We are having a child in a few weeks who will be mixed race...some seem to feel sorry for such a child who is an 'unintended victim of ignorance' the result of a union of 'two people who should have known better.'

I assume each race has people in it that are against people of their own race mixing with another.

 

Me Im Welsh and Mrs Orc is English LOL My Father is Catholic & my Mother was Protestant & I honestly cant understand what the fuss is about

 

I didn't vote on this one. I'm white, and I like white girls. But I'm not concerned with what other people do.

 

DeOrc:

Wow that is REALLY a mixed marriage!!!
(LOL).

 

As far as I am concerned, we are all members of the Human Race. Since we are all of the same species then there is nothing moraly or scientifically wrong with people of different skin colors getting married. Kinda like a brown dog and a white dog. Dogs don't have an issue with it.

I draw the line when some of the Human Race prefer to marry another species or juveniles of the same species.

 

My Gosh, I can't believe this thread is still going... Here is the post (gleaned from another CLOSED thread) which opened this bag of worms to begin with. Would you believe this threads name was -- Americans Support Surveillance Cameras 3-to-1

 

If you replace "isolationism" with the correct term, "non-interventionism," then I support it. And non-interventionism would possibly have prevented the Japanese internment camps by avoiding war with Japan. Regarding male-only voting, can we get that back in time to stop Hillary? And if we kept it as male-only voting, it's unlikely we would have had prohibition. Women seem more naturally attracted to socialist programs anyway [my opinion] than men, so I'm not sure what has been gained by that except it looks good on paper.

And regarding interracial marriage, it did give us Tiger Woods, Derek Jeter, and Doug, so it can't be all bad.

It's amazing how things relate sometimes. And for those of you with no sense of humor, just move on to the next post... nothing to see here, ... keep moving...

 

Cloudsweeper99, you have been reading too many books.

 

again, only to clarify...that post was not what started the topic as much as OldDans answer regarding the mixed marriage thing that caused the thread to diverge into this topic...that being he not only supported a ban on it but that people who do this should be 'executed'....he then made several more statements calling people who do it 'nonentities' 'zeros' and calling kids from any such union 'unintended victims of ignorance.' ...the real funny part was when he said

'It's the kids who are eventually made to pay the price of two people who should have known better.'

when the only price they would pay is having to put up with such bigotry.

Now dan doesnt seem to see any problem with these opinions so I assume relating them is not breaching any protocol...they are his views in which he proudly stated...in fact he said he is a teacher and in the course of his job he endeavors 'to change this new generation into thinking 'right'.

I should also add that he did little to explain why he feels this way as bonedigger did most of the talking in this thread for him as he quit posting and answering questions...maybe because I asked questions and I am a 'nonentity'...bonedigger has stated that he also hopes he has taught his children right...right being not to marry outside of ones race...to his credit, he did agree killing them is harsh and that if a daughter of his married someone of another race...after the initial shock, he would deal with it

Just to clarify what truly started this thread...not to argue or bicker.

 

You make it sound like our decision to raise our children "right" the wrong thing to do. Why is that? Don't demonize someone who is willing to speak their mind and not just tell you what you want to hear. Since you're so concerned with how another man and woman have raised their children. I look forward to periodic updates dealing with the trials and tribulations you'll encounter during your odyssey called parenthood. Your honest feelings...

When your daughter comes home one afternoon with some drastic behavioral issues I hope you'll be quick to correct them or sure as god made little green apples those behavior problems will get worse then she won't even be coming home. Except when she needs something...

We, (Jen and I) chose to be part of our daughters lives. We know and are friends with the parents of their friends. If a boy asks one of my girls out they will come into the house and be dressed property according to MY standards, no caps on sideways and baggy pants down on their hips. Just like Adam, I dated white girls in my youth, and my close friends (then and now) happen to be White and (now) Native American, but you've got to look at the place where we live in the United States. Moen copied my use of the word "ethnocentric" when I was trying to get members to understand what the area is like out here where OldDan and choose to live. Just like the "BAD" parts of Houston down in the 4th Ward there are what I'd call totally opposite areas of the nation in the upper MidWest where anyone can walk down the road or sidewalk anytime of the day safely.

I'll be honest and use some actual quotes here. Many times Blacks and Hispanics aren't comfortable in this area because of the harsh winter weather, "It gets too cold for me in the winter, my legs get ashy" and the nightlife or lack of. "I don't be wearing no cowboy hats and boots to no club." Yes, that's the exact wording I've heard on occasion. If a young man or woman is going to speak I think they should have an adequate grasp of the language, sorry, that's how I feel, and I'm not alone. We've taught our girls in Semi-HomeSchool enviroment for their first eight years. Several families with (stay at home moms) would pool their expertise and teach a class a day, and one of those classes was always English.

To it's benefit Rapid City is getting more and more culturally diverse and with that changes are certain to follow. Changes which will make it easier for those newly settled clurturally challenged families, but Rapid City will never be warm or have the diverse nightlife of Houston, LA, Miami, or New York. The major problem is lack of gainful employment and insurance for individuals who have no historic ties to the land here or or are gainfully self-employed.

Again, I'm not afraid to lay down for all to see how I live or have raised my children. I'm not ashamed either.
Ben

 

All I said was that your definition of raising them right is for them to marry with in your race...which is why you seem okay with old dan and defended him more than he defended himself regarding what he said...I am not telling you how to raise your child, with hope, if they have been taught its bad to marry another race...as they grow, they will be able to see how it isnt much like what happened with BQ...like you said...you are not ashamed of the fact that you sought to teach your child to stay within her race...so there should be no problem...

Excuse what dan said all you want...I dont care if you live in wyoming or the north pole...saying people should die for being in a mixed marriage is disgusting bigotry...plain and simple...he has the right to feel that way...I have a right to say its bigoty on the level of tha nazis and the KKK and be a bit frightened if he is in a position to teach children this.

As for what I teach my daughter, it will be that she may date and marry anyone she chooses...Part of raising her right will not have anything to do with race and how one should and shouldnt marry in that regard...remember, this is about race..not if you insist the boy she dates dresses nice.

If you want to continue this I will...or you can drop it...I have said what I wanted to say...

 

Dru, let it go, Dan didn't mean it, heck you even said you would rather hear Aidan. If you're so upset about it then sue him, but please let it LAY. You susposedly said your last post on the matter yeaterday...

Now as far as me posting something about raising my daughters "right" and with the same "race" if you can find that quote please post it because this is what I actually said.

CULTURE -- Similar Values, Similar Backgrounds... None of my business...

 

He didnt mean it? I dont agree...If so let him say so...why are you defending him? let him defend himself...he is a big boy and doesnt need you to speak for him.

I didnt start this thread...I wasnt the person who started talking about dan in this thread, in my initial post here I didnt use his name you did when you misrepresented the facts... etc...take your own advice...dont hit the reply button...if you insist on defending dan or speaking for him...or excusing what he said as 'accepted behaviour in parts of this country' or misrepresenting what was said...then I will respond...best way to put it to rest is stop being his advocate...if he doesnt feel the need to defend the disgusting things he said...why should you...just drop it and I wont go into the context of your carefully worded use of 'culture'

 

Dru, I don't think OldDan meant it the way it was conveyed. Moen had baited him and he simply responded in kind, they have a 'history' as do you and him and you and I, but we're mature and have grown beyond that I think??? Dru, please realize I don't dislike you actually find your posts very interesting and certainly "eye-opening." I don't look at you (because you're married to a Pakistani Woman) as less of a human being. That's insane in any civilized enviroment.

It's obvious he's niot going to say he's sorry or apoligize and it's obvious his words aren't going to be erased by the powers of the forum. Like I said, I kinda suspect Dan's words weren't meant at all.

I like and respect you and the choices you've made. You still haven't posted pictures of the Middle Eastern Art which decorates your home. We've got lots more too as I lived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for 18 months. Remember knowledge is the key to unlocking doors and opening minds...

Your Cyber Friend
Ben

 

Dru, I will say you are an (friendly) editing fool I've got to go back and reread your posts and find the new points you would like addressed. Could you post a line to the thread if you make some major edits which require answers??? PLEASE BTW, I don't recall ever posting "we've raised our daughters right" or words to that effect, but of course I could be wrong.

Ben

 

Bonedigger...I think you are wrong...re-read his comments in that thread...I believe he was completely honest...he said so 'at least I am honest'...
I think he was being 100% honest and I think you dont need to defend him...he is an adult....

Think about this...and I promise this is my last word on the subject and if you must continue defending him, I wont respond...moen said:

Let's look at a list of a few of the other things that a large number of people once supported and let us know how many of them you would support today.

Slavery
Prohibition
Isolationism
Native American genocide
Work Houses
Male only voting
Bans on interracial marriage
Japanese internment camps
to name a few...

now if he wanted to, there was a whole list of controversal subjects he could have answered saying he supported if he was just trying to jab at moen...but instead he seemed to answer seriously and truthfull to all of them...


At the risk of haveing Moen call me names again, I will be honest and answer these questions he posed.

Slavery I have never supported this idea nor have I had the necessity to use it.
Prohibition One of the stupid laws of this land, put into practice by women
Isolationism Good idea, but it won't work.
Native American genocide Only on individual cases, and as the law provides
Work Houses these still exist so I understand, but not very practical out in my area
Male only voting Coming from Wyoming, this could hardly be the case. We were the first state to give women the right to vote & had the first women governor
Bans on interracial marriage Absolutely and you can add same sex marriages to this also.
Japanese internment camps The times and events made this necessary. The country did what it thought necessary


These answers do not sound like joke answers or out of context...are you saying he only answered the interracial one out of character? He has been called out for racists remorks before...none of the answers are out of character...and his further posts:

to be perfectly honest, the word 'executed' comes to mind

As for the two individuals who go and get married, I could care less and what ever happens is of no concern to me, the true pitty of this whole mess is that they place the mark on their children who have had no say in the marriage. It's the kids who are eventually made to pay the price of two people who should have known better.

First of all your child would have no problem with me, as I only have sympathy for these poor little unintended victims of ignorance.
As for the parents, I have absolutely no hatred or feeling what so ever about either one of them. Once they have decided to take this path, they are a nonentity as far as I'm concerned. A zero!

in no way seemed like a joke...

No need for you to excuss what he said, explain it away, or speak for him...he IS a grown man, he can speak for himself and if he did not mean the disgusting things he said...he can say so himself...you yourself said they were uncalled for...I am not looking for them to be deleted...they should be here for all to see so people can know what he is...just like aiden.

I honestly have no problem with you bonedigger, we have had our words but I let it go...

nuff said.