Is Obama lying AGAIN???

I belong to the libertarian party. I don't vote libertarian because they never have a real chance to win, and to me, that's the same thing as voting for a republican (meaning that by NOT voting for the only party that can realistically keep republicans OUT of office by themselves occupying said office, in effect, I'd be casting my vote FOR republicans). Libertarians are the closest representation of what I believe, which is why I initially joined their party. In my view, I HAVE to vote democratic to in order to vote AGAINST the party of Bush 1 & 2, Cheney, and Reagan's mentality. I don't like it but that's the screwed up system we're offered.

 

Interesting. I would have pegged you as one the least likely to be a member of the Libertarian Party based upon what I have read here of your support for Obama.

Obama's stand on so many issues is the absolute antithesis of Libertarian stands. Healthcare, social and welfare programs, war, business and trade regulation, redistribution of wealth, bailouts, gun laws, taxes, spending, unions...and on and on. 180 degrees out of sync with each other.

 

Let me give you an analogy of that I think characterizes my "support" for Obama. You have two people that want to kill you. One will do it immediately, directly, without hesitation or thinking about it. Yes we're going to kill you, and...now..right now...so don't bother packing.
The other one says yeah..we're probably going to kill you, but not right this minute. Perhaps a year or two maybe. We'll let ya know, and if it's any consolation...we're trying to do the same thing to the corporate right.
So in the meantime, I get to spend SOME amount of time with my family before I'm planted six feet under.
That's what the two parties represent to me...today...currently. One slowly, stealthfully, takes you down and the other one just shoots ya in the back of the head immediately (then lights a Rush Limbaugh cigar and then blows the smoke on your dead body and laughs).
There may not be much difference in the end, but, least I get to say goodbye to my family and maybe take a few cigar smoking corporate rapists with me.
Lastly, I TRY and support Obama because A.) What are we going to do? He's in there for at least 3 more years. B) What's the alternative? Sarah Palin? C)
I'm hoping he'll find a conscience...something the right's representatives clearly, from what I have observed in my lifetime, will never have.

 

I guess that is a major difference between us. I don't think there is a lick of difference in when either of those 2 parties would try to kill you. And no probably's about it.

They would each do it immediately if someone offered them a dollar whether it was big oil or big business or big health-care that was paying the dollar. Then they'd have one of their minions throw a few shovel fulls of dirt on you and then they'd take a dump on top of that for good measure.

I guess I have just come to the point where I can't support the lesser of 2 evils any more because, at the end of the day, it is still evil.

 

I'm finding it tougher and tougher to find fault with your logic. I'm certainly not saying there's a lot of difference between the two of them. I't just that what I have personally witnessed my entire life (and have heard since I was a tot) is that no matter what, republicans have been and always will be about the wealthy, or as George would call them, "his base". It's reflected over and over in almost every facet of life. Seriously...when have you ever heard a republican NOT supporting the views of the very rich? I've gotten very cynical since I brought a kid into this world. I used to not be very political at all, and much like you, figured there isn't enough of a difference for me to worry about. For instance, Jimmy Carter, whatever you want to say about him presidentally...I'd put his "humanity" up against any modern republican any day of the week. (and I'm sorry...the world could use more humanity..and we certainly have enough of the opposite).To contrast that idealogy...you've got folks like Rush saying things like "Yeah Jimmy Carter hammers a few nails. Big deal".
Well...ok...but to me, that represents SOME difference in the views of the two parties. Not enough to write home about maybe...but a difference. I don't think Carter's humanity would be questioned by very many. George Bush? Who wouldn't? That leads to the current president. Obama. Simply by virtue of the fact that he hasn't yet been in office long enough to learn all the criminal tactics that the last administration employed constitutes a difference. Also...the man simply generates more confidence in his ability to communicate to the "common" man. He's intelligent and can speak, which means he can answer a question, which means the POSSIBLITY of him actually listening to what people have to say versus giving everyone else the finger and talking in blank stupors.
He may prove to be no different from a presidental perspective..time will tell and perhaps he's already showing signs of the same old same old. But again..there's hope I think. With the right...there's the same old predictable pro rich, pro coropration, out of touch criminal elitists. Different faces. Same old stale gameplan. I don't know about you but I've seen enough of the corporate mentality and I'd like, at least the possibility, of something a little more "human" than the war mongering right, corporate loving right. There's only one possible party out of the two available that has even a shred of hope of that changing...and I'll give ya a hint...Sarah Palin, McCain, or anyone else on the right...AIN'T IT..and until the right can provide someone that can inspire the non rich, general public, enmasse...they are stuck with their "only for the rich" stereotype...and I don't see that happening any time soon because you can't appeal to your "base" corporate elite and the "growing poorer by the day" general public at the same time. (besides...the corporate rich would never allow such a thing anyway). You can however impose a dictatorship when the masses become too unruly...which we're not all that far from already. All compliments of the "have more and want much more" corporate loving criminal right's "capitalistic"
policies.

 

How's that democrat senate working out for you?

 

I just really doubt the whole 'common man' persona that the Democratic Party has put on. When you look at the money that Freddie and Fannie and the rest of the banking industry and now the health-care industry has funneled into the Democrats, I just really doubt what is currently going on is for the good of the common man. The same common man whose share of the national debt keeps getting larger and larger. The same common man who is out of work. The same common man who can't keep his small business growing. The same common man who is losing his house.

The Republicans might be the thief who takes your wallet at gun point. But the Democrats are the con men who pat you on the back and smile while they lift your wallet from your back pocket. In the end, the common man is left with the same.

 

Not too good. The "just say no" crowd's fear mongering tactics are working pretty good. Health care will do an end run around them though with the 51 vote thing I think, provided the corporate lobbyists don't bribe too many folks.
How's that revisionist history thing working out with your party? You know..the whole "Ronald Reagan was a great American" Fox noise propaganda?

 

Not to good.I could only hope that we could have a strong leader such as Reagan. You know a strong economy, a strong leader not afraid to stand up to tyranny and communism. If we could only get that pesty left wing media to report the news instead of spinning and editorializing it.

 

What does...''is so send 30,000''... mean?

 

pete

 

And repeat

 

Are you kidding? Did you catch some pretzel logic flu from Midas? Are they not striking now? Dont you think they'd notice we were no longer there even if there was not a set date? Do you expect us to stay there forever? Oh right; your life isnt in danger so soldiers dying is of little consequence to you. I think a few Presidents involved in a firefight announced at one point or another when ''Our boys are coming home.''. Just another silly comment from you because you dont like the guy.

 

No response Tom?

 

I musta missed that post Lehigh. I'm very tired from my own slave drivers and I'm going to bed shortly, but I'll offer some thoughts.
Ever notice that in large companies, there are always lots of management folks, seemingly often more management than there are employees to manage? One manager need to approve this or that before some other management entity can do anything without them then checking with some higher source? Maybe you haven't because you're in management but I have.. Ever been on a conference call where there are a dozen "experts" with lots of commentary...each trying to show everyone else how smart they are? Almost constant conversation..until a major problem arises...then they're all silent or take turns saying...What do you think so and so??? Would you call that productivity or would you call that micro managed?
I go with the latter. My favorite phrase to describe that though is "too many chiefs and not enough indians". I'm off track a bit, but my point was going to be that, this is what "management" is to me. Lotsa folks with cool titles, makin' lotsa money, mostly paid to squeeze another nickel's worth of "productivity" out of the poor slob that actually does the work. I watch the powerplays and the clusterf**** created by all this and I think....this is just like Washington....everybody wants credit for being such a great leader, but noone, strangely, is around at the end to take responsibility for the mess THEY usually have created by micro managing every detail, thinking they're increasing "productivity". All while they tell you we're all a team. It's a corporate crock of bull. That's what managers monitoring "productivity" means to me. Meanwhile...the actual workers pay the price because s*** always rolls downhill, stopping at the bottom, right on top of the actual producing employees. Management....spend a hundred dollars to make one, then cut labor (cause they're the most expensive cost), then get a bonus. Management...critique any detail that you can find...never mind the millions of other details/hoops that you already successfully jumped through. It's all a game of manipulation. Management manipulates subordinates to make themselves look better (or so they think). Bad management is widespread too. I've seen it in almost every large "corporate" conglomeration. Raises are non existent because there's alway some "temporary" situation that prevents it.
Demand for man hours increases while "management" looks for creative ways to "reduce" OR ELIMINATE ALL TOGETHER the actual labor cost of covering those increased hours. (being straight salary for example, then, in addition to the endless hours assigned, you can be "on call" 24/7 "just in case", and of course, without any additional pay or even ANY additional time off).
I've always said that if the person who was forced to submit to these types of policies, was able to "bill" management for their time every time one of these "special" circumstances arose, the need for the circumstances would quickly disappear. But so long as it's "free"..go ahead with it. Mangement also never understands that your "off" time...is YOUR time..not theirs, but you'll get a call or a message saying starting out with "I need for you to....blah, blah ,blah". First off..."you"? What happened to the "team". Secondly..MY time is MY time, and if you "request" some of "my" time, then first ask. Then..because MY time is very valuable to ME, how much money are you willing to pay me for MY time? If I deem it reasonable, you have the successfully purchased MY time. But management normally thinks that your time is always their time, and you're supposed to jump when they say jump. You know the posts (whichever ones they are) that point out how "the company doesn't owe them anything" type of response? Well then neither does the employee.
But "productivity" increases will always be the shield that this mentality functions under instead of, 'ok...we're happy..we've made a good profit..and you've done your job..thank you..see ya next time'. MORE...always MORE...and always for nothing or LESS. That's called "productivity tracking". Your time is their money, and they won't even pay you fairly for it. Oh...and by the way...so and so quit and we're not replacing the position. This is what's wrong with corporate America IMHO.
There...you now have a response.

 

I find it interesting that the hardcore libs here have not chimed in on this...not even to attack or bring up Bush or Palin! Corona? craiga? danr? moen? I would really like to know your defense.

 

They can't do it David.
But here comes the personal attacks and the grammar police!

 

I commented on this thread. Again you lie.

 

Lighten up little boy

 

Selective reading?