It Has Begun

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, Jan 22, 2025.

  1. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Whut's the name o that town again?

    Yes, kidding.
     
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  2. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Let's revisit this in a month
     
  3. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    That’s fine. It will be up or down a quarter. No way to speculate. The difference is the air of confidence that exists. We will have good days and we will have bad days. That’s life. But we now are confident that the adults are back in charge and we are headed the right direction. Finally….. No more Easter egg drag shows at the White House. The insanity is gone.
     
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  4. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I remember several years ago, some of the forum members here including myself were discussing issues that didn't impact us directly or personally. We may have been talking about abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism or something of the sort, I don't recall specifics. But your father, in one of his more denser moments, stated (and I'm paraphrasing) If it doesn't concern you, why does it matter to you?

    He meant, of course, that if I weren't having an abortion myself, then abortion shouldn't matter to me. Or if I'm not marrying someone of the same sex, then gay marriage shouldn't matter to me. Or if I am not transgender, then transgenderism shouldn't matter to me.

    His question revealed to me that he didn't quite grasp that anything that goes on in the world (especially social issues) impacts each of us in ways we may not immediately see or feel.

    But they DO impact us, nevertheless.

    So, do you agree with your father's assessment that if something doesn't concern you then it shouldn't matter to you? Or do you agree with my assessment that when things happen that don't concern you, they still matter?

    If you answer, please don't obfuscate in your usual manner.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2025
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  5. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    As you asked, I am not personally receiving funding. I'm more concerned with the brain drain on U.S. research this is going to cause. It will limit opportunity to recruit international talent while simultaneously hindering domestic scientists.

    We were already losing ground scientifically to China. Wanna see them lap us? This is how you do it
     
  6. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    They lapped us year before last with next generation fighter planes.... Six of one-Half dozen of the other I suppose.
     
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  7. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    We are losing and your take is "we might as well lean into it?"
     
  8. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Not at all. I grew up in a nation that led the world. My generation didn’t give that away. My only point is that we didn’t bat an eye when the Chinese roared past us and waved with their superior military presence. And now I am supposed to be concerned?….. Look Gene, everyone’s buttons get pushed differently and you have sound reason for yours and I have sound reason for mine. Trump was handed the wheel of a listing ship. I believe the man has the moxy to get us righted. If we suffer a setback along the way, so be it. It certainly cannot be any worse.
     
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  9. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Let us not forget. The government has become leviathan and that was never what the framers intended. This was to be a government by and for the people. And if freezing spending for a short period helps us to get a grasp on this monster… I can live with the consequences. My grandkids deserve it.
     
  10. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I'm not convinced it will help anything. I'm more concerned the man is taking a sledgehammer to systems he doesn't fundamentally understand.
     
  11. Swim4Life

    Swim4Life Well-Known Member

    @GeneWright It appears you've elected to ignore my entire post. Did my questions stump you? Were they spot on whereby you didn't like the answers you'd have to give?

    I'll repeat the post. I hope you'll read it and answer the questions, honestly.


     
  12. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I'm not really interested in any of those "questions" there. There's tons of systems in place for awarding and monitoring research funds. It's not Trump's place to unilaterally overturn them. At least not so hamfistedly, like an inept dictator.

    Don't just think of the research, think of the human toll in careers derailed. Not just the PIs either, the students and staff working to support research. One careless swing of his hand and many people's lives thrown into chaos. At the very least it kills trust in the system, and for what?
     
  13. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    For what? How about for a reset?

    Seems to me that liberal politicians put this nation through a far greater reset 4 years ago, and you didn't squeak about that . . . not even once.
     
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  14. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Why do you think science needs a reset? If it does, why does it need to be done like this by this fool?
     
  15. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Useful science doesn't. I seen enough of shrimp on treadmills for example and I been seeing this for years. Do we really need to study if selfies make us happy or if we need to build an AI toilet? I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Millions, if not billions are wasted on foolishness. I am fully on board with putting an end to the foolhardy spending of my money.

    And if you want a soapbox to stand on, why not crucify creepy Schumer for saying that Trump was cutting welfare and social security payments. That is a true travesty. Telling baldfaced lies to scare the electorate. Someone needs to shove nasty ashtrays down that creeps mouth.
     
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  16. SmalltownMN
    Doh

    SmalltownMN All I can do is shake my head....

    Ben, your non-answers to the direct questions you’ve been asked answer your own question.
     
  17. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Who said science needs a reset? I'm talking about government intervention in things it shouldn't be involved in. Who said folks should get paid by the government for indulging their interests in scientific investigation? Private funding by investors is how it was always done before the government mucked everything up.
     
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  18. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Not everything needs an ROI. There's been plenty of cases in science where projects seemed to be dead ends for many years, but a small element of what they discovered was crucial to another project. I don't believe private investment can tolerate that kind of progress.
     
  19. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

  20. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Sad but all I can think is welcome to the real world. Late 70’s I worked a free month for the army when budgets failed to be approved. Probably could count on one hand the number of paychecks I took my first year in business. Two weeks ago my son’s employer burned to the ground. He started delivering pizza this week. It happens……. The hullabaloo has got to go and sadly in the interim it will hurt but reigning in the absurd spending habits of the Fed is loooong overdue.
     
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