It Has Begun

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, Jan 22, 2025.

  1. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    I not only blame Biden, I blame OBAMA! And, yes, DEI (aka RACISM) is at the heart of it all:

    Report of lack of ATCs at DCA comes amid lawsuit FAA trying to fill jobs based on race

    January 31, 2025

    A New York Times report saying the air control tower at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport has been understaffed for years came amid a lawsuit claiming the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) discriminated against air traffic controller applicants based on their race.

    The Times report said the tower at the airport was nearly a third below targeted staff levels, with 19 fully certified controllers as of September 2023, citing the most recent Air Traffic Controller Workforce Plan, an annual report to Congress that contains target and actual staffing levels.

    The targets set by the F.A.A. and the controllers union call for 30.

    The lawsuit represents nearly 1,000 individuals who went to school to become air traffic controllers . They passed the normal test to obtain the position right before the Obama administration said the class was too white and threw out the tests with the applicants [emphasis mine], the suit alleges.

    Former Nevada Attorney General Adam Laxalt, who serves as co-counsel for Mountain States Legal Foundation, based in Colorado, is leading efforts for a lawsuit.

    "When you travel and have a delay, it’s because there aren’t enough of these people," Laxalt told the Wall Street Journal last year. "When you see these near incidents in air traffic control, it’s because there aren’t enough people. There are only 14,000 air traffic controllers. A thousand were scrapped a decade ago, and the bottom line is they’ve never made up losing all of this pipeline."

    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/american-airlines-plane-military-helicopter-crash-dc-airport
     
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  2. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    The difference is that a democrat (Franklin Roosevelt) threw George Takei (an American citizen and not a criminal) into a concentration camp during WWII. President Trump is placing criminals in detainment awaiting their transfer to their country of origin.

    If you can't see the difference, you're blind as a Wuhan bat.
     
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  3. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Many reports have been coming out of Americans being detained by ICE and then released omce they realized they were Americans. Does your great vision for America include the "papers, please" police state we're getting?

    Beyond that, even non-Americans deserve humane treatment. That's what the issue with the "Columbia" fiasco was.
     
  4. Profiler
    Inspired

    Profiler Well-Known Member

    Source?
     
  5. Profiler
    Inspired

    Profiler Well-Known Member

    Source???
     
  6. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    You DO understand that it's perfectly legal to detain someone on the suspicion that they've committed a crime, don't you? It happens every day, all over the country to everyday Americans for a variety of reasons.
     
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  7. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

  8. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I’ll give you probable cause . . . The observation that someone is speaking English poorly or not at all, coupled with the knowledge that such individuals are more likely in the United States unlawfully than not.

    The mistake made in the case of the detention of the Puerto Rican grandmother and grandchild was not in questioning whether they belong here, but in not permitting them to prove their citizenship before detaining them.
     
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  9. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I was sitting on this to see if anyone else would call you out. I also noticed you edited it like 5 times, and I kept hoping you'd change it.

    You can't use non-English speech as probable cause. Do you see how blatantly wrong and racist that is?

    I also surmise from "permitting them to prove their citizenship before detaining them" you do want the "papers, please" police state. Why not get it over with and make anyone that doesn't speak English sometimes wear a patch indicating their legals status?
     
  10. Swim4Life

    Swim4Life Well-Known Member

  11. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism


    I edited the post twice for clarification only, and not for intent.

    My position is not racist at all. I welcome all to the USA who immigrate through our Ports of Entry and the naturalization system. The use of “racism” in your post is a badly-fatigued liberal dog whistle. You should stop abusing it.

    One of the requirements of naturalization, and ultimately of American citizenship is the ability to speak English. That's not to say English must be one's primary language, but the inability to speak it passably is a strong indicator that one is not an American citizen, regardless of one's heritage. It’s even more indicative of an unwillingness to adapt to our national norms.

    By the way, you bought up "probable cause". Probable cause does not mean certainty . . . it means one has reasonable suspicion. It is quite reasonable for one observing the reluctance / inability to speak English to seek additional information that would establish the qualifications of the observed to reside in the US.

    Had progressives not opened the door to this flood of illegals by promoting the avoidance of Ports of Entry, and by perverting the refugee admission process, it would not be necessary to search for illegals at scale. Now that they're finally on our side of the border, you'd like us to just turn a blind eye, say "oh well . . . whatever", and not send them home. You can forget that notion . . . it is not going to happen. The damage must be undone.

    It bothers me that there are innocents who will be inconvenienced, but they are not victims of Trumpism, or even conservatism in general. You liberals encouraged millions to break the law by crossing our border between Ports of Entry, they broke the law, and now we have a terrible mess to clean up . . . your mess.

    Thanks a bunch!
     
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  12. Profiler
    Inspired

    Profiler Well-Known Member

    Yes! It’s their mess and they will complain, have riots, and sue. Kinda like George Floyd riots except it won’t be tolerated this time.
     
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  13. Swim4Life

    Swim4Life Well-Known Member

    Very well said, Mike.

    Let's not forget the USA chartered flights bringing the dregs of the foreign society, prisons and mental institutions to our country.

    As if the Dems illegal, corrupt, subversive assistance to bring the 'undocumented', aka ILLEGAL, aliens here was never going to be held to task. Their plan was to never lose control of the machine. Well that didn't last long. One term and here we are. Time to pay the piper.
     
  14. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    It's not just a colloquialism, it's a legal term with defined meaning.

    @Profiler you have experience here I believe. Is speaking non-english sufficient probable cause to detain someone?
     
  15. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Careful, GW. I did not say detain. In fact, I stated that was the mistake made in the case of the Puerto Rican grandmother and granddaughter. I have clearly indicated that additional information should be sought.

    If the observed will not freely provide the requested information, that might very well justify detention.
     
  16. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    It's complicated. U.S. citizens aren't required to carry proof of citizenship on them. Do you carry your proof of citizenship on you at all times? If you do, it's most likely REAL ID, but those are not mandatory. Otherwise, if you don't have one, do you carry your passport with you at all times?
     
  17. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    Nearly all of this could have been avoided had President briben not been derelict in his duties. He should have secured our southern border. At the very least, the should have tried to secure the border. But he didn't and now we are met with a crisis that he created.

    I still don't think it's too late to impeach briben.
     
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  18. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Even if I accept that as the truth (I don't), how does that justify breaking the law by harassing and detaining American citizens to "fix" it?
     
  19. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P

    You don't? Well, it's true. Briben did not secure our southern border until a half-assed attempt to do so in mid-2024.

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    If you truly believe that laws are being broken by detaining an individual under suspicion that he or she has committed a crime, then you simply are ignorant of the law.
     
  20. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    The question is: how do you think they establish suspicion? Do you think there is a legal and illegal way to do that?
     

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