Just an amazing act of sedition by Trump on tape

What lengths will this maniac go to to subvert that democratic process? He needs to think about his behavior from the inside of a jail cell. LOCK HIM UP!

 

wow, trump is a total piece of shit. What will toughie and CJ do now? Start squawking about Hunter Biden?
total mob boss BS

 

from the comments: "I wonder how many people Trump has fired because they couldn't find the gnomes that stole his underwear"

This is pretty serious though

 

In three weeks, they can use this to indict this asshole. He is such a moron.

 

In call, Trump demands Georgia officials 'find' votes to tilt election
By Chandelis Duster and Devan Cole, CNN
Updated 5:30 PM ET, Sun January 3, 2021

(CNN)President Donald Trump pushed Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to "find" votes to overturn the election results after his loss to President-elect Biden, according to an audio recording of a phone call obtained by CNN and first reported by the Washington Post.

In excerpts of the stunning one-hour phone call Saturday, Trump lambasted his fellow Republican for refusing to falsely say that he won the election in Georgia and repeatedly touted baseless claims of election fraud.
"The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry. And there's nothing wrong with saying that, you know, um, that you've recalculated," Trump said in one part of the call. Raffensperger responded, "Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong."
In another part, Trump said, "So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state."

"You should want to have an accurate election. And you're a Republican," Trump said at one point.
"We believe that we do have an accurate election," Raffensperger said in response, to which Trump replied, "No, no you don't. Not even close. You're off by hundreds of thousands of votes."
The President also claimed during the call that votes in the state were scanned three times, an allegation Raffensperger rebuffed, saying, "We did an audit of that and we proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times."

The White House declined to comment to CNN.

CNN has reached out to Raffensperger.

The audio recording was reported by the Post several hours after Trump said on Twitter that he had spoken to Raffensperger on the phone in an attempt to convince him to look into unfounded conspiracy theories about the vote in November. According to Trump, Raffensperger refused to do so. In response, Raffensperger cryptically delivered a strong message to the President on Sunday.
"Respectfully, President Trump: What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out," the tweet read.
Raffensperger, a Republican and a Trump supporter, has consistently turned back Trump's claims of voter fraud in Georgia. He has overseen three different recounts of the vote and conducted several other reviews of the process. He recently tasked the Georgia Bureau of Investigation with conducting an audit of the signature match system in Cobb County that determined the system was 99.9% accurate and revealed no evidence of fraud.

The Post also reported that Meadows, lawyer Cleta Mitchell and other Republican allies of the President were also on the call.

The call represents the latest extraordinary effort by Trump to change the results of the race he lost following weeks of legal and political efforts by the President, his legal team and Republican allies to overturn the free and fair election.

The ask comes just days before Congress will meet to certify Biden's victory, a traditionally ceremonial exercise on Capitol Hill that will look dramatically different this year as Republicans in both chambers plan to object to the counting of Electoral College votes.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer seized on the call in a tweet Sunday afternoon, suggesting to Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas that he and his GOP allies should investigate the President for his actions.

Cruz was among 11 Republican senators who announced Saturday they would support an objection to the Electoral College votes, if one is brought, and propose an election commission to conduct an "emergency 10-day audit" of the election returns in the "disputed states" -- despite no credible evidence suggesting widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

"You want to investigate election fraud? Start with this," Schumer, a New York Democrat, wrote in a tweet aimed at Cruz that included a link to the Washington Post's report about the call.
This story has been updated with additional developments.

 

Raffensberger will have to go into hiding now because pro trump turds will try to kill him

 

the whole call

https://assets.bwbx.io/av/users/iqj...y2vZs7K9z2cbfZUxGLrdd7xaDwO353rK83UOqI4UjeBJA

 

I don't think Nixon was this openly crooked. Trump has set the standard for crooked politicians. He needs to go to jail for the rest of his life.

 

Seth Abramson Provides an Excellent Criminal Analysis of the Full Tape
I’m linking the thread-unroll of this tweet:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1345844414250442753.html

Essentially, Trump exposes his own knowledge of his loss making a legal defense based on the belief he won impossible. Additionally, he makes direct threats and CoS Mark Meadows follows through in one place.

1/ In the full audio, Trump claims—insufficient to overcome the "willful ignorance" doctrine, of course—that "crowd size" proves he won Georgia. He also falsely claims "a couple hundred thousand forged signatures" in Fulton County, falsely claiming the county was never "checked."

2/ He falsely claims "at least 250,000 to 300,000" ballots were "dropped mysteriously into the rolls" in Fulton County, which" (he falsely insists) "hasn't been checked." Raffensperger *unambiguously* tells him all of this is wrong—yet again piercing any Trump defense to a crime.

3/ He confirms he knows the "margin" is 11,779—he cites the specific number multiple times—so when he later says "I want to find 11,780 votes" he's clearly indicating that his concern is to win the election, not election security. And he wants Raffensperger to "find" those votes.

4/ He says to Raffensperger, "you don't need [to 'find'] much of a number [of new votes]" because "in theory the number I lost by was 11,779." This is him *explicitly* directing—later trying to coerce—a government official into finding exactly the number of votes he needs to win.

5/ Much of this is nonsense—almost incomprehensible. He's complaining about a woman in Georgia named "Ruby" who he says is a "scammer and hustler," reviving the "water main break canard" whose usage by the GOP has been repeatedly debunked. He's monologuing like a cartoon villain.

6/ Everything Trump raises was litigated in state/federal court. He's taking cases he lost in their proper fora and trying to resurrect them with a man he feels he has power over and aims to threaten. That he tried the cases in court means—legally—he knows it's where they belong.

7/ Meadows is clear that he's trying to subvert the courts—asking Raffensperger to find a "less litigious" way to resolve Trump's complaints re: the Georgia results. It's an acknowledgment by Meadows that he wants an extrajudicial agreement between GOP executive-branch officials.

8/ At one point Trump says to Raffensperger, "What's the difference between winning the election by 2 votes and winning it by half a million votes?" This is in the context of him pleading with (later trying to coerce) Raffensperger into finding *just enough votes* for him to win.

9/ Trump's criminal intent in the #TrumpTapes is clear, as is the fact that (under the law's objective "reasonable person" standard) he had sufficient information to *know* with "high likelihood" that his claims that the election results in Georgia were somehow wrong was *false*.

10/ Trump claims to Raffensperger, in the #TrumpTapes, that from his "rallies" *alone* he knows that it's "not possible" he lost Georgia. No state/federal prosecutor would deem such statements to survive the "willful ignorance" doctrine—they fail the "reasonable person" standard.

11/ The call isn't the only evidence of criminality—the context surrounding it is likewise key. It's unthinkable that Trump wasn't told by WH counsel what he heard publicly—calls of this sort may be criminal. Trump seemed to acknowledge it by trying to get ahead of the call leak:



12/ Trump has a history of doing this: believing he can escape criminal liability by making public acts he originally conducted in secret—and very much aimed to *keep* secret. His prior use of the NSC Intelligence Collaboration Environment (NICE) server to hide calls is relevant.

13/ Trump repeatedly emphasizes to Raffensperger on the #TrumpTapes that he is giving the Georgia SoS "exact numbers" that he can use to "recalculate" the results so that Trump wins. He wants this elections official to *take data from the Trump campaign*. That's also legally key.

14/ It's under a third of the way into the call that Raffensperger tells Trump—saying this with all the knowledge and authority of his position as Georgia's chief elections official—that "the data that you have is wrong." Trump can't legally persist beyond that point—but he does.

15/ Trump's *own lawyer* says on the call—in Trump's hearing—that "we" (the Trump campaign) "don't have the records" to establish the exact number of "dead people" the campaign says voted.

This is seconds after Trump tells Raffensperger to *use the campaign's fraudulent data*(!)

16/ Trump confirms that he's heard what his lawyer said by *interrupting her* to reply to her statement that, in fact, the number Trump just gave Raffensperger *wasn't*—as Trump had insisted—an "exact number" that Raffensperger could add to Trump's tally.

This is election fraud.

17/ The #TrumpTapes audiotape only gets legally worse for Trump the more you listen to it. There's very, very little exculpatory evidence here. This tape is terrible—and we need some courageous state and federal prosecutors to make this unambiguous to American news-watchers. Now.

18/ When Georgia's chief elections official tells Trump that he will send the president *confirmed evidence* establishing that Trump's claims are *false*, Trump responds, "I don't care." I'm sorry to any other attorneys out there who may be timid, but there's clear mens rea here.

19/ When Trump's attorney says, "we don't know that" (regarding Trump's claim that there were 18,000 fraudulent ballots), Trump responds to her by saying, "It was 18,000 ballots—and each was run three times." Raffensperger had *just told him* a recount confirmed that was *false*.

20/ So we know Trump had been told the truth by both his own attorney *and* by Georgia's chief elections official, yet persisted in trying to threaten the latter to "recalculate" Georgia's tally, anyway—doing so just enough to change the election results.

This is election fraud.

21/ When Georgia SoS Brad Raffensperger tells Trump that he (Trump) is getting inaccurate information about the election in Georgia from social media, Trump replies, "This isn't social media [that I'm getting this information from], it's *Trump* media."

Yes. He really said that.

22/ Raffensperger tells Trump that Georgia law enforcement *and the FBI* have done forensic work to establish that Trump's data is wrong. Trump says law enforcement is either "dishonest or incompetent" and cites "Trump media." If you think the law says this is okay, you're wrong.

23/ You can't commit a federal crime and say, "Well, I had this *deranged, objectively unreasonable belief* that what I was doing was okay—despite *repeatedly* being told otherwise by the authorities."

Or, rather, you can only claim that via an *insanity defense*. Not otherwise.
24/ And now the threats start:

Trump tells Raffensperger, "It's more illegal for you [Raffensperger] than it is for them [the alleged vote-fraud plotters], because you know what they did, and you're not reporting. You know, that's a criminal offense. You can't let that happen."

25/ Trump has called himself "the nation's chief law enforcement officer." He believes himself to be so. And in this call he warns Raffensperger—"I'm notifying you"—that he's putting himself at "risk" of federal prosecution by Trump's DOJ if he doesn't change the election result.

26/ This call is incredible. I've never heard anything like it. The Ukraine call was so impeachable and criminal I wrote a whole book about it and all the crimes that surrounded it (Proof of Corruption, Macmillan, 2020) but this goes even straighter to the heart of our democracy.

 

A Republican official has tweeted that Trump is suing Raffensperger. He also claims that the recording was "heavily edited." Good luck with that one.

One problem any lawsuits might encounter is that both Washington DC and Georgia are "one-party consent" jurisdictions. That means the recording itself is almost certainly legal.

Regardless, the cat's out of the bag, and the inevitable back-peddling and denial of reality is proceeding apace. A direct quote from a Trumpist: "It was a PERFECT phone call. Nothing wrong was said."

 

The only thing bigger than Trump's ego is his mouth.

 

And of course crickets from the GOP and from republicans here. I guess there is no way to defend the indefensible.

 

They're left with "but Hunter Biden"

 

The few good republicans left in the wilderness are people like Raffensperger. Even he wasn't willing to release this recorded conversation until Trump inevitably lied about what was said during the phone call. Trump is openly showing us what we have all suspected. The GOP is nothing more than a criminal organization run by and for criminals and those complicit in the criminality.

 

I listened. And no, I wouldn't defend that. Whats the purpose of poking your finger in my eye though? To further widen the gap that exists between left & right? Is that truly useful?

 

If the republicans would grow a backbone and call Trump out for this kind of behavior, I would have no problem letting them weed out one of their own bad apples. The problem is that they sit back and ignore the behavior at a minimum or defend it by acquitting him at other end of the spectrum. So if we allow this type of behavior to be normalized, we all lose. THAT is the purpose of poking my finger in republicans eyes as you put it.

If my choice is to poke a finger in the eye of the corruption and risk widening the gap that exists between right and left, or saying nothing and letting them have a pass that excuses this behavior again and again, guess which one I'm going to choose?

The only viable course here is to shame the people on the right into behaving in a principled, ethical manner. You could begin the process by telling us why you would support such a heinous individual and using your hatred, dislike, revulsion, whatever of the left isn't an excuse. That's a pathetic cop out.

 

I have called the man out. On several occasions. It's over. In fifteen days, he is out. And you know what? He doesn't listen to me anyway. The way the man is wrapping up his presidency is a car wreck. I don't see the glory in reveling in that crash. I'll not feed his ego, nor will I feed the growing ego of the left because frankly, I find it to be just as dangerous. I believe our new president to be a gentleman and I pray he has the backbone to stand up to the extreme factions of his party. So shame away. It is over. Out with the old and in with the new.

 

As I've tried to make clear, this isn't about shaming individuals like you or even other posters here as much as it is about shaming those in power that prefer to just pretend that this train wreck isn't happening. It is also on some level I suppose about saying, "See! What have we been telling you all along?" That has to be part of the conversation since it was so much of what the entire conversation the last fours years has centered around. US TELLING YOU that this man was a total and complete con artist.

I'm sure that you know this and that nobody likes an "I told you so", but it doesn't mean that they don't deserve it anyway. I guess what I feel is, "For Gods sake how can you not see what this man is?!! It just defies reality to think anyone could put any faith in someone so disgusting and evil.

If you want to have a conversation about any of this, please start by telling me what you ever saw in a guy with a proven track record of lying, deceiving, manipulating, corruption, and every other vice known to man. I think the healing between right and left will only happen when everything is talked about. Every reconciliation commission ever convened knows that you don't just ignore what happened. You throw it all on the table.

 

Many people have been saying that Clinton would have been a horrible disaster for the US. Whatever hoax scandals that have been cooked up by the socialist antifa Democrat traitors don't matter. MAGA™!

 

This is exactly why a finger needs to be poked in the eye of the right.

House Republicans rush to Trump's defense over Georgia call as Democrats prep censure resolution

(CNN) Many conservative House Republicans defended President Donald Trump in the aftermath of his phone call demanding Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger "find" the votes needed for him to win the elections in his state -- as Democrats began drafting a resolution seeking to censure Trump over the matter.

After House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy downplayed Trump's stunning demand, other Republicans rushed to his defense -- and some refused to take issue with the President's actions.
"I wasn't involved in the call," said Minnesota Rep. Tom Emmer, who chairs the House GOP's campaign arm.

Rep. Paul Gosar, a conservative Arizona Republican who is joining his colleagues' effort to overturn the election results on Wednesday, contended that Trump's call was a simple expression of "enormous frustration."

"Politically correct speech doesn't run well," Gosar said when asked about Trump.
Trump's call with Georgia's secretary of state, audio of which was reported by CNN, the Washington Post and others on Sunday, comes ahead of a Republican effort to object to President-elect Joe Biden's victory when Congress counted the Electoral College votes on Wednesday. At least 140 House Republicans and a dozen Senate Republicans are preparing to vote against Biden's victory in a push to overturn the election results despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud, though the effort has divided Republicans, with some Republicans openly criticizing their colleagues for an effort they charge is dangerous to democracy.