Obama Flip-Flops On Gay Marriage

I'll ask again: "Do you think it's OK that Obama flip-flopped"?

 

Sorry, not until we define the argument. What exactly is your assertion other than that Obama filp-flopped, which he did. You started the thread. You should be able to state this without difficulty

 

Obama's explanation of his position on gay marriage sounds like a thoughtful consideration of the issue to me but the RW has a need to see someone other than their guy as a guy that can and has flip-flopped on an issue in the course of one day.

I've always believed that gay and lesbian Americans should be treated fairly and equally. I was reluctant to use the term marriage because of the very powerful traditions it evokes. And I thought civil union laws that conferred legal rights upon gay and lesbian couples were a solution.

But over the course of several years I've talked to friends and family about this. I've thought about members of my staff in long-term, committed, same-sex relationships who are raising kids together. Through our efforts to end the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, I've gotten to know some of the gay and lesbian troops who are serving our country with honor and distinction.

What I've come to realize is that for loving, same-sex couples, the denial of marriage equality means that, in their eyes and the eyes of their children, they are still considered less than full citizens.

Even at my own dinner table, when I look at Sasha and Malia, who have friends whose parents are same-sex couples, I know it wouldn't dawn on them that their friends' parents should be treated differently.

So I decided it was time to affirm my personal belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

I respect the beliefs of others, and the right of religious institutions to act in accordance with their own doctrines. But I believe that in the eyes of the law, all Americans should be treated equally. And where states enact same-sex marriage, no federal act should invalidate them.

If you agree, you can stand up with me here.

Thank you,

Barack

 

But Joe, this makes sense. As far as I can tell making sense is not what this thread is about.

 

I don't believe this is an argument inasmuch as it's an observation. We would have to have opposing points for this to be an argument. However, we both agree that he flip-flopped. I'm asking whether you agree that it was OK that he flip-flopped.

 

Actually, Obama has supported gay marriage previously.

He wrote that in February 1996! http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-returns-to-1996-position-says-he-supports-gay-marriage

So now he has flip-flop-flipped?

 

Now, that IS confusing! Has he flip/flop/flipped or old conclusion/new conclusion/old conclusion-ed?

So, let me get this straight (no pun intended):

1. Obama supported gay marriage at one time. Everyone who agreed with his stance was happy.

2. Obama then concluded that he was against gay marriage. Everyone who was pro-gay marriage was now saddened by Obama's new conclusion.

3. Obama supports gay marriage again. Now, everyone who agreed with his stance is happy... again.

Is anyone keeping track of all this?

 

Obama raises 1 million dollars in 90 minutes after announcing his position on gay marriage. I'm thinking he played this pretty smart. I wonder what the haters on the Right shoveled into Romney's coffers?

 

His changing position is no worse than Romney's changing positions. I believe you will find that is the main point here.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...arriage-reversal-rooted-principle-or-politics

 

Obama is on the right side of history on this issue. If that makes him a flip-flopper in his political foe's eye's, I can live with that. They are simply moving in the wrong direction and desperately grabbing at anything that will make their antiquated position seem in touch with America, which it obviously isn't.

It's just like saying that Lyndon Johnson was a flip-flopper on Civil Rights because he hadn't publicly supported it until he did in 1964. Was Civil Rights wrong? Of course not! Same thing here. You guys are just slow to the table again.

 

Here's a young person with some bright ideas and some very good points. He talks about a lot of things and speaks rather quickly, but he has a lot to say. The video lasts about 10 minutes, but please take a few minutes and listen to him:

 

Both Romney & BO have been accused of flip-flopping. In this thread the libs condone BO's flip-flopping therefore it would be hypocritcal for them to ever disparage Romney as a flip-flopper.

**The reason for BO's flip-flop-flip on this issue is obvious now. It's all about the money! Supposedly BO rec'd all kinds of payments (millions...billions?) in return for saying he now supports gay marriage. The timing also coincided with a huge Hollywood fundraiser. The fundraiser was originally to be hosted by David Geffen (the gay record producer) but he backed out a while ago because BO was anti-gay marriage at the time. George Clooney has now agreed to host the fundraiser. Now BO can go & perform in front of these 1%er's as a gay marriage supporter & rake in their billions...too bad these dims are hypocrites, think of the good things these people could be raising money for like the poor, the disabled, veterans...

 

You're having a lot of fun with this "staying on topic" thing...

...Oh, and... some are flip-flopping on gay marraige... (I didn't want to be edited... )

 

Yeah, I figured that all this was really in defense of Romney.

 

That was the memo......they have to distract people from the realization that Romney is the chameleon of political flip-floppers.

 

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