Man I hate to pile on but I just found more issues I've left out! Hey, every day is a new theme! http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=16508119-2BA3-4E1B-BFC2-EEDF0DDCB48B Ok, let's see......what happens next? I post this. Next, somebody will have to jump in with a write-up attacking the authors credibility and re-directing attention. Despite all the direct quotes listed! Wait, wait... let me check through the phases on my own. Lets see..... Is it smears, lies, republican fear tactics, taken out of context, or did he say this stuff a long time ago so it doesn't matter? Hmmmm. I don't know. Somebody pick one for me and make it better. LOL!
Personaly I would execute any one caught in the commision of a crime using a fierarm, any one caught selling crack or other seriousely hard drugs. If they are caught red handed then no years of apeal after apeal. I wonder what would happen to the seriouse crime rate if they knew they were looking at a manditory death sentence with no hope of a repriev?
I also see nothing wrong with trying to rehabilitate any one in prison, that is not a bad thing, nor do I see anything wrong with phone taps which I know a lot of you oppose
I am not positive that drug use alone should be reason for prison time. I do think drug sellers, importers, smugglers, etc should be in prison.
I would agree with that Stu, my beef is with those who import the bloody stuff and distribute it, I have no sympathy for them they just cause human misery (Sorry thats my Libral side talking again LOL)
Guys ya have to get drugs from somewhere. I guess Vess1 never got high. Poor guy. Drug addiction is a hell of a thing. I think rehabilatation is a good option. Vess1 wants you to think that the guy is soft on all crime. And the article is written by a guy who thinks there are muslim terrorists infiltrating DC. Holy crap. I just went to that frontpage home page. If this is where Vess! gets his information from, no wonder he's all fouled up. That is one scary site guys. Hey Vess1, isnt one of thier advertisers a Neo-Nazi recruitment center?
And there it is. Despite Obama's own quotes, we resort to questioning the authors credibility. No, actually the link was posted in another forum and I passed it on. Had enough quotes in it for me. Somebody's got to report the facts. No, I never had to get high. I never stooped to that level. Never felt the need to. Sounds like you and Obama should get together though and reminise, eh?
You must not have read the story. He doesn't want to rehabilitate them in prison. He wants to let them all go and try to rehabilitate them. He wants them to be on the streets so they can get high and break into your home. Hopefully you don't have a bad gun around either so nobody gets hurt but the intruder can do what they want. If you live in Chicago and they break in and you shoot them, he wants to prosecute you and he wants YOU to serve jail time even though you didn't ask for the confrontation. That simple. It takes a real idiot to defend somebody like this.
Vess, Really dude is this where you get your news? I read the post from craig a and went back for another look. Other than the really scary homepage I noticed this "news". So this is the "truth" you're passing along? Obama's Hug-a-Thug Crime Policy By Paul Sperry FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 Last I checked today was MONDAY, November 03, 2008. I could see a typo of Wednesday (I suppose) or even November 05, 2008 but both? I've heard of "post dating" checks but "post dating" news? I'm a bit befuddled here. If Mr. Sperry wants to post such an article he is free to do so but why not BEFORE the election? WELL, before the election. Are the Repos so desperate that they already have stuff like this in place for Obama IF he wins? That would certainly unify our country now wouldn't it.
Why it was post dated like that, I have no idea. I see screwed up dates on articles all the time. Again, this is nothing but trying to direct attention away from the article. Grabbing at straws. To be honest, I've heard all about his views on drugs and his leniency on criminals in the past. He's angry because most of the people locked up are minorities (black) and they should be rehabilitated on the streets. "They just haven't been given a chance." That's fine with me but I hope they're all let loose around your neighborhood where your wife works or where your daughter goes to school. Not mine. I'm against that policy and those ideas. Strongly against. I don't need some worthless POS driving down the road high on pot, coming at me. If some here feel that's the answer, that's fine. Hopefully they stay mainly in your areas. Be sure to send Obama a thank you card for being so nice to those people too. It's the least you can do.
Quotes from the article for those who refuse to read and choose to ignore: He favors "drug rehabilitation" over incarceration for even "a second-time offender," according to a 2007 interview he gave to the Michigan Chronicle, Detroit's second-largest African-American newspaper. Decriminalizing pot is also on the table. "We need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws," said Obama, who admits to smoking weed and doing "a little blow" as a young man. "At a minimum," Obama told the black Detroit paper, "those who serve their sentences should be re-enfranchised." In Illinois, he unsuccessfully sponsored a measure to expunge some criminal records. He thinks they are used as a "stigma" against blacks. He fought to keep even the most violent juvenile offenders out of the adult system. Instead, "We must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime," he said at the Denver convention. Obama, who would as president have the power to pardon criminals, isn't a big fan of U.S. laws in general, at least not as currently written. He thinks they are racist, along with the courts. "We have certain sentences that are based less on the kind of crime you commit than on what you look like," he told Howard University students last year. "It's time to seek a new dawn of justice." "Laws are sometimes malleable," he wrote two years ago, and he plans to "fix" what he sees as a "broken" criminal justice system. And he favors judges with the "empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American." That worries some legal analysts. "If Obama wins," warns Northwestern University law professor Steven Calabresi, "we could possibly see the abolition of capital punishment and mass freeing of criminal defendants." Yup, this story sure is opinion based. This guy lists more names and sources than most AP stories I read. But, maybe they're all made up too. Can't rule that out.
Well here we go again, so now because I favour Rehab in prison you automaticly assume I never read the article? what exactly makes you think that. Do you by any chance comprehend that people can have oppinions of there own?
I have no problems with throwing the book at someone who breaks into a home, robs a bank, etc. Whether they were on drugs or whatever does not make that any more or less of a crime. It is still violating someone else's rights or harming someone else and still should be punished. But, locking someone up for doing drugs on the thought that they might eventually commit a violation of someone else's rights in the future does not seem right to me.
Careful Stu you might be seen as a Libral bit like me realy here I am in favour of a Death penalty for those caught in commision of a crime using a fierarm, the Death penelty for those caught importing and distributing drugs but because I believe that rehabilitation is possible in some cases in prison Then I am Called A LIBRAL LOL god help the world if that is LIBRAL
lol These days, I think 'liberal' and 'conservative' are just defined as whatever the Democrats or Republicans tell their people it means.
Really? You want to see someone dead just for holding a gun while robbing a bank? I could see if he or one of his accomplices killed some body with a gun. Why not the death penalty for using a knife? Or a club? Those can also kill.
No one ever HAD to get high. Ok; did you ever drink and got a buzz? You act like no one deserves a second chance. If pot is made legal, wouldnt DUI apply to those who get pulled over? And that whole website isnt credible. Only nut jobs read crap like that.
Craig now this is just my own view on the subject, but if someone goes out carrying a lethal wepon with the intent of commiting a crime, then I do believe that they are willing to use that wepon against innocent people why else carry one in the first place. Now if they are willing to do that then they should pay the price for doing so. I admit it sounds extreem but how many would it deter if they knew that they faced the Death penelty for commiting a crime whilst carrying a fierarm? I do respect your right to disagree on this if you feel strongly enough about it.
Yes I do feel strongly about it. The system in the US gives the defendant the benefit of the doubt. If the firearm wasnt fired, moreover if no one was killed; it could be argued that it was there only to scare. I mean why not the death penalty for driving drunk? Couldnt that be construed as intent to commit vehicular homicide?
Actualy that idea has some merit but honestly ask yourself this if someone points a gun at you do you think Ah what the heck he is only trying to scare me or do you think hell he might kill me? How about if the shock causes someone to have a heart attack? If you carry a gun in the commision of a crime then I am sorry but one must believe the intent was there to use it.
