Obamacare WORKING!!!!!

Let's see if we can clear this up with some easy math even Little Joe can understand.

We start with 5 apples. Billy brings 1 new apple into the room and sets it on the table with the other 5 apples. Now, how many apples do we have in total? YES! We now have 6 apples!

5 + 1 = 6

Now, Little Joe, how many NEW apples do we have? If you answered "6 apples, teacher", then you have to sit in the corner with a dunce hat on your little pointed head.

However if you answered, "1 new apple, teacher", you get a gold star. See how easy that is?

 

Will you tell us how many are paying? Do you even have the numbers?

 

Here's another bit I learned from a doctor friend of mine...if a doctor or hospital treats a patient who believes they are covered under Obamacare (but it turns out they aren't) the healthcare provider is s-o-l when it comes to reimbursement! This applies in cases where a person has gone on the website & completed the application but the backend processes didn't function properly.

 

6,000,000 have lost their private health insurance coverage due to policies being cancelled.

3,200,000 private plans projected signed-up through ObamaCare by the end of this month.

Sorta looks like a healthcare deficit to me.

 

Really? Who told you that? You know anybody losing their insurance? I seriously doubt it. You know anybody replacing their previous policy with a new one? Probably.

Obamacare’s detractors have argued that millions of Americans will lose their health coverage due to the changes introduced by Obamacare. But according to a new analysis, this ignores counterbalancing policies in the law. The report finds that less than 10,000 people will lose coverage coverage without an immediate and affordable replacement.
The paper, put together on behalf of ranking member Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and other the Democrats on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, takes as its starting point a recent Associated Press report that 4.7 million Americans will see their current coverage cancelled. Critics of Obamacare have used this and other reports to play conceptual games, allowing the technical “cancellation” of a plan to imply a consumer will lose all coverage entirely and be left out in the cold. But for the vast major that 4.7 million, the cancellation of a plan simply means a shift into a new and often better form of coverage. The report lays out three ways this happens.
First, there’s the extended grandfather period. Even before Obamacare was enacted, health plans on the individual market — which usually operate on year-long contracts — changed on consumers all the time. Benefits could be altered or premiums jacked up. In order to give consumers more reliability, Obamacare placed much tighter controls on how and why insurers may charge different customers different premiums, and mandated a core package of benefits all plans must provide. Unfortunately, this also meant many pre-Obamacare plans that didm;t meet those new qualifications would have to be cancelled. In order to smooth that transition, the law allowed insurers to “grandfather” in certain pre-Obamacare plans by allowing them to be renewed for one more year at any point in 2013.

In November, the administration decided to extend that renewal period through 2014 as well. The extension was optional for regulators and insurers in each state, and some chose not to enact it. But of the 4.7 million in the AP’s report, 2.35 million — or half — will be able to take advantage of the extension.
Furthermore, the Democrats note that the other half can still sign up for plans that qualify under Obamacare. In briefings with committee staff, one of the country’s largest Blue Cross plans said they don’t expect any of their 2013 enrollees to be without coverage in 2014, and one of the country’s largest for-profit insurers said they’d sent actual cancellation notices to only 2,000 people nationwide, while the vast majority of their customers simply enrolled in Obamacare-compliant coverage.
Second, there’s Obamacare’s subsidies and Medicaid. In order to help Americans better afford coverage on the individual, Obamacare provides tax credits to anyone on the exchanges making between 100 and 400 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL). That’s between $23,000 and $94,000 for a family of four. Over half of all married couples made $75,678 or less in 2012. Obamacare also provided the states the resources to expand Medicaid to anyone making up to 138 percent of the FPL.
Citing analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation, the Democrats’ report estimates that 60 percent of the 2.35 million who can’t take advantage of the extension will either qualify for subsidies or for the Medicaid expansion. That’s another 1.4 million out of the original 4.7 million cited by the AP. That number would be even larger if it weren’t for the states that refused the Medicaid expansion.

Third, there’s access to catastrophic coverage. Another failsafe built into Obamacare was the possibility of a “hardship exemption” for any American who faced serious hurdles in complying the law’s mandate that everyone purchase health coverage. In December, the administration decided that exemption applied to anyone who’d seen their previous coverage cancelled due to Obamacare’s policy changes. That means they won’t be subject to the mandate’s penalty, and that they’ll be allowed to purchase cheaper “catastrophic coverage” along with the Obamacare-compliant plans on the exchanges.
The new report found that of the 2.35 million who can’t renew their pre-Obamacare plans through 2014, 99 percent will have the option to buy low-cost catastrophic coverage.
Put those three overlapping policies together, and “the actual number of individuals who receive a cancellation notice, do not sign up for new insurance in 2014, and lack the option to do so at affordable prices will likely be less than 10,000.” As the Democrats’ analysis notes, that’s less than 0.2 percent of the original 4.7 million cited by the AP.
The fact is the plan “cancellations” were a regular occurrence on the individual market even before Obamacare, as customers saw plans changed or terminated and had to enroll in new ones. Studies have found that one third in the individual market left their coverage after only one year, and over 80 percent did not stay in their coverage longer than two years. The initial shift into coverage that complies with Obamacare can look like an acceleration of all that, but the law also introduced a host of new policies to make coverage more accessible, affordable and stable going forward.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/12/31/3109041/10000-lost-coverage-obamacare/

 

Let's just try Obama for one;

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/53492793/#53492793

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Read more at http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/confirmed-thousands-millions-losing-health-insurance-due-obamacare/#J5vM13tL5LpitO3Z.99​

 

So, let me get this straight, BO said we had 17 million uninsured Americans so Obamacare was vital to the country. Today, 3 million of the 17 million have signed up for Obamacare but 6 million have lost their coverage because of Obamacare. The libs are calling Obamacare a success but simple math says the 17 million uninsured has risen to 20 million. That's their measure of a succesful government program?

 

The 6 million cancellation number came from a previous post in this thread which no one had previously disputed.

It is really simple math. Using the 4.7 million cancelled as provided by Joe.

17,000,000 uninsured prior to ObamaCare plus 4,200,000 policies cancelled equals 21,700,000 uninsured.

21,700,000 less 2,350,000 (per Joe Above - policies renewed due to extension) equals 19,350,000 uninsured.

19,350,000 less the projected 3,200,000 enrollments into private insurance through ObamaCare (as provided by Joe in the OP) equals 16,150,000 uninsured.

17,000,000 uninsured prior to ObamaCare
16,150,000 projected uninsured as of the end of this month.

Net effect of an additional 850,000 insured Americans.

It is not a deficit using Joe's numbers.

 

I have yet to meet anybody losing their insurance. With all these millions and millions of people losing their insurance as the Right-wing claims, you'd think we'd all be tripping over these people. The fact is that this lie is just another Right-wing ploy designed to mislead the American public and another tactic in their playbook to keep people from getting insured. Success isn't exactly what they are invested in is it? No, of course not. Their methods are so obvious and overt that it has become funny just watching them twist in the wind as more people have access to health care and all of their lies become harder and harder to listen to with a straight face. In fact, the percentages of the uninsured has already begun to drop and sign ups are in their infancy. The first drop in years. Good news for America, bad news for the GOP....AGAIN!

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/t/stor...red-rate-21632794?ref=https://www.google.com/

 

The following came straight from Joe's post

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The paper, put together on behalf of ranking member Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and other the Democrats on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, takes as its starting point a recent Associated Press report that 4.7 million Americans will see their current coverage cancelled. "​

 

As I said, cancelled AND replaced mostly due to junk policies that do not meet minimum standards under the ACA. Why is that so hard to understand? I just have to believe that some folks simply do not want to understand. I'm not criticizing you because you seem to at least be looking for answers. The rest here seem to be looking for anything that will cloak this process in strictly negative terms for purely partisan political nonsense reasons. Go figure.

 

Why would BO feel the need to apologize to those who lost their insurance if no one had lost their insurance?

 

Was the following information included in Joe's original post?

The numbers are "as of this week," according to an administration official, which puts Obamacare on pace to have more than 1 million people pick a plan this month. Added to the approximately 2.2 million people who signed up for coverage between October and the end of December, Obamacare enrollments are expected to total more than 3.23 million at the end of January.


Read more: http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/obamacare-working.50822/#ixzz2riMnFCki​

Was the following not additional information provide in another of Joe's posts?

In November, the administration decided to extend that renewal period through 2014 as well. The extension was optional for regulators and insurers in each state, and some chose not to enact it. But of the 4.7 million in the AP’s report, 2.35 million — or half — will be able to take advantage of the extension.
Furthermore, the Democrats note that the other half can still sign up for plans that qualify under Obamacare.

Read more: http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/obamacare-working.50822/page-2#ixzz2riNyRVIl​

2.35 million net cancellations who can sign up for ObamaCare. As of the end of this month it is projected 3.23 million ObamaCare enrollments. Which calculates up to this point a net gain of approximately 850,000 insured.

 

BINGO!

 

my employees lost their coverage because of the aca and it wasn't because they had the bare boned no frills plans

 

And more "good" news and despite Obama saying all was working fine just this week. All those people who got screwed because they got the wrong assistance/insurance etc. (as opposed to the normal screwing inherent to Obamacare) can now appeal to the DLO. It seems no one has yet bothered to start an appeals anything. OOPS!

BTW, for those asking, DLO stands for Dead Letter Office.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/22000-waiting-for-obamacare-website-errors-to-be-fixed-report-says/