Occupy movement magnet for violence.

I wish that I had a front row seat the day the police beat down his front door and drag him out of his house for a "good reason". The rest of us will feel so safe knowing that someone like him is off the streets and behind bars. I know that I will sleep better at night knowing that whatever he did, he deserved what he got.

One of my favorite singer/songwriters said:

Love is hate
War is peace
No is yes
And we're all free
But somebody's gonna have to answer
The time is coming soon
When the blind remove their blinders
And the speechless speak the truth

(order of lyrics changed for effect)

 

So it is fine to break the law when you feel is is OK, but not when you don't? Who elected you God? Try asking OJ how taking the law into his own hands worked for him. Or even better, Timothy McVeigh.

 

I'll give you one thing: you never shy away from hyperbole.

 

Can't wait for that "good reason" to show up at your door.

 

Drama Queen hyperbole? (goes for moen, too)
There's a huge difference between someone just walking down the street, minding their own business and the violence-laced flea bag gatherings.

 

I will have to try harder to give you that reason. We have shoot in self defense laws here.

 

No, there isn't. An unwarranted and excessive response is an unwarranted and excessive response. If you make excuses for one then you can make excuses for another. The simply fact is that the police have been excessive in their responses to the OWS movement in multiple circumstances. In other circumstances, their response has been inadequate or illogical. The best example I can think of is the situation in Nashville. The protesters asked for a extra drive by from police officers and the response was to create a new law and arrest multiple protesters for no reason.
Some responses are just ridiculous and the fact that you can find justification for extreme responses against people you simply don't like is just as ridiculous.

 

I was referring to the police not me duffus. And I do hope you take that self-defense law to heart when they show up. That always works out so well for tough guys with pea shooters.

 

Actually, the line is very thin. History has proven this over and over. You're just a bad student of history.

 

This is the question that you need to answer. Do people who are protesting peacefully deserve a violent response in retaliation? If you think that a violent response is acceptable then you are giving your approval for tyrants and dictators everywhere to respond to civilian protests with violence to protect their interest and the status quo, too.

The level of hypocrisy is amazing.

Let me ask you a question. When you see video of the government in Syria beating, shooting and killing peaceful protesters do you think that is wrong or right. If you don't excuse a violent reaction over there then how can you excuse a violent reaction over there. If you are not going to excuse it over there then you can't excuse it over here. If you are going to excuse that reaction in both places then you must admit that you support dictatorships.

Or you can just admit that you don't have a consistent ethical, moral and cognitive framework. In which case, you are just reworking your ethical, moral and cognitive reasoning to justify your own benefit without actual consideration of ethical and moral reasoning.

 

Sorry Dee, I said I wasn't engaging with you any longer and I stand by that, especially when your post is framed in such a hostile manner. I could waste my time writing an excellent response only to have you find it lacking in one way or another and "have to" defend myself against other nit-picky accusations again--I've played AD&D with people who were not as rules-lawyerish as you are and they can argue "what-ifs" into the ground. So no. When you can be civil, I'll answer your questions--until then, I'm not on the witness stand and you are not the prosecutor.

 

I'd like to know what these protesters have done other than civil disobedience? Sitting on the ground arms locked being pepper sprayed seems like the textbook definition of civil disobedience to me. It's the pepper spraying I find abusive. If a cop tells me to move and I don't, that IS civil disobedience. The hypocrisy from the Right seems to know no bounds AGAIN. Why am I unsurprised?

 

Thats weak! Hostile? It only seems hostile because you have no answer. We just call that losing the debate.

 

Funny, I call it lack of civility--especially when another person inserts himself into a conversation that has nothing to do with him.

 

Yeah, well welcome to the forum honey. If the kitchen is too hot, there are other rooms you can go to.

 

No problem--I'll leave the kitchen to you while I repair to the study with my brandy to engage in intelligent political discussion with my peers.

 

Not how I'd choose to celebrate a lost argument but tucking tail and running by any other name is still....

 

I'm sorry. I thought this was in Internet Discussion forum in general and a conversation about violence and the OWS movement in particular. You do understand how these things work don't you. Someone starts a thread and people talk about it. Other people come in and read the discussion and then add their opinion to the conversation. It is how a discussion forum works. If you want to have a private conversation then use IM or email.

Of course, the real answers is that you either don't have an reasonable answer or don't want to admit you are in favor of dictatorships. When someone says something you don't like or ask you a question you don't want to answer then you act like you are being insulted.

It is a simple question. Do you think it is OK to use violent means to repress the rights of others? You can be honest about it rather than acting insulted.

BTW. I am a "her" and not a "him."

 

Really? Seems that men have been engaging in that kind of behavior for generations. Double standard much? (Don't forget to put the glasses with their mouths down on the shelf. It keeps dust from settling inside).

Off to my part-time venison processing job. I'd love to spend more time chatting with you, but I honestly have other/better things to do.

I was referring to Moen.

 

You asked an uncomfortable question that forces a RW'er to have to consider something other than the narrative that has been pounded into their head their entire life. Those uncomfortable questions are never answered in this forum. It makes them have to think too much. Not what people who are used to being told the answer want to do. If you don't understand how evolution works, then God did it all. If you don't like gay people, God must hate them too. When you corner these people with a logical argument, they turn tail and run. You might as well be speaking Martian to some of these people because the narrative is too strong and too loud playing in and endless loop in their heads. Sad but true. And sadly enough, I think HM is probably one of the more intelligent RW'ers here.