Oh! Boy!!! Obama is in real trouble now!!!!

You call it "hackery" when someone simply holds an opinion contrary to yours? As it relates to BO, he may have possibly had a success or two (nothing comes to mind, really) but the totality of his presidency has been a complete & epic failure. Take any economic indicator & compare it to what he inherited- everything is worse off. Heck, anyone on this planet could have taken a weak economy & made it worse...my opinion of the man would be a lot different had he delivered on his promise to make things better. We can only hope that his prediction of a 1 term presidency (if he can't improve the economy within 3 yrs) comes true.
**Notice the bar has been lowered for BO by both sides** His original pledge was to fix the economy, now we just beg him to stop taking measures that make it worse!

 

If you are truly looking for a board to discuss subjects as intellects and professionals, you might start by not denigrating others.

 

Surely! Because I'm the problem for saying it's a problem. Because I said the quotes in AN ABSOLUTE VACUUM.

Right?

Of course not.

 

What do you expect from Betty Boop?

 

Maybe to become a troll?

 

The Righties here are pretty much overly vocal trolls. You are the second person today that has made such an assertion. Their goal is to chase off any and all liberal voices from the git-go. They have a tough enough time just handling me. CoinOK, David, and rlm are the three amigos that push the Fox so called news narrative around these parts. There are good folks too but these three are just the loudest. If you don't take them seriously, you can have a lot of fun. I know I do.

 

Ensured Bin Laden was found.

My own hack test is...Name something that the President has done (one of his policy initiatives he got passed or executive order that he signed) that will be bad for the country.

 

"Guilty!" ...

 

I chose the "Cash for Clunkers" program a while back as my test.

 

It sure took some of my car buying opportunities out of the market. lol

 

The recent free trade legislation. Accepting that the American President has the right to order the assassination without judge jury or trial of any American citizen anywhere in the world who the American President has decided fits the definition of "terrorist". His refusal to investigate or be open to prosecuting the Bush era war crimes. His invasion of the airspace of sovereign nations and his inflicting injury and death on innocent citizens of those nations by using drones to hunt down his enemies. The replacing of regular American troops in Iraq with private mercenaries instead of presiding over a true withdrawal of forces. I think that these are bad for the country.

 

Peacenik.

 

So, the hypocrite Obama says that waterboarding is wrong:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-gop-candidates-wrong-waterboarding-torture-055753364.html

But, he continues rendition:

http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/as-rendition-controversy-reemerges-obama-admin-policies-murky

 

Am I wrong to think of water-boarding as a new practice... started after 9-11?

As for rendition, I agree... Obama is wrong to continue using it.

 

He is wrong for taking credit for things that were accomplished using tactics he has had prosecuted in the past & spoken out against.

 

Wrong? Only by several centuries. Try the Spanish Inquisition.

 

Sorry, I forgot to write "in America". I know variations of water-boarding have been around for millenia.

 

Try at least this;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_05-22-1902.JPG

 

Not bad. One picture is worth a thousand words. Now for the 1000 words that, ironically, are each worth a thousand pictures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

I found the 'historical uses' section the most relevant to this discussion. Also, several U.S. military personnel have been found guilty of crimes after using the technique. Below are a couple of quotes from the article above:

"Elihu Root, United States Secretary of War, ordered a court martial for Glenn in April 1902." During the trial, Glenn "maintained that the torture of Ealdama was 'a legitimate exercise of force under the laws of war.'"

"Waterboarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in the Vietnam War."

Which led to another guilty verdict:

"On 21 January 1968, The Washington Post published a controversial front-page photograph of two U.S soldiers and one South Vietnamese soldier participating in the waterboarding of a North Vietnamese POW near Da Nang. The article described the practice as "fairly common". The photograph led to the soldier being court-martialled by a U.S. military court within one month of its publication, and he was discharged from the army."

The U.S. didn't like other nations using the technique on our troops...

"The United States hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American prisoners of war."

And finally, why I asked if I was wrong to think of our renewed use of waterboarding after 9-11:

"The 21 June 2004 issue of Newsweek stated that the Bybee memo, a 2002 legal memorandum drafted by former OLC lawyer John Yoo that described what sort of interrogation tactics against suspected terrorists or terrorist affiliates the George W. Bush administration would consider legal, was "prompted by CIA questions about what to do with a top Qaeda captive, Abu Zubaydah, who had turned uncooperative..."

FYI, I heard this elsewhere... and the quote above strengthens the likelyhood that this info is accurate in my view.

 

At the Tokyo war crimes trials didn't we prosecute Japanese soldiers for water boarding? Maybe it's a crime only when the perpetrators are not white or Christian. We need some clarification here.