Poll: Pres. Bush' speech

Discussion in 'Politics' started by craigG, May 16, 2006.

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What did you think of Pres. Bush't speech?

  1. I liked it.

    1 vote(s)
    5.6%
  2. I hated it.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. I liked it but doubt it will be implemented.

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. We need enforcement, not more laws!

    9 vote(s)
    50.0%
  5. I thought it was a bunch of lies and rhetoric.

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
  6. Bush's speech shows he does want amnesty and he is a liar.

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. craigG

    craigG New Member

    Here's a poll for those of you that watched Bush's speech last night.
     
  2. B12

    B12 New Member

    We have plenty of laws in place.The laws just aren't enforced for a variety of reasons,depending on who benefits from it.

    B12
     
  3. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    I used to be a huge Bush supporter, but I give up. I am leaning towards the philosophy of Michael Savage at this point. Close the border, enforce existing Law, and punish employers who hire illegal aliens. The rest will take care of itself, and very quickly.
     
  4. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Amen to that dog!

    I didn't watch the speech because it wasn't directed at me but rather his withering base of which I have never been a part.
     
  5. Danr

    Danr New Member

    That biometric stuff has to send a shiver up your spine.
     
  6. ozland tiger

    ozland tiger New Member

    I too have split with the president

    I stopped sending money to the political parties....Both parties need to do what they say. Enforce the damm border first....not a 'sop' to appease the conservative base....:loud: :loud:
     
  7. mamooney

    mamooney New Member

    I agree as well.....
     
  8. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Think about this...

    If you come home and your basement is flooded. The first thing you are going to do is look for the cause. Now you could either shut off the water leading to the busted pipe or patch the pipe. Either way, that is what you are going to do FIRST before you take on the mess resulting from the broken pipe. You would NEVER try to clean your basement as the water is still pouring on the floors..but that is EXACTLY what the idiiots in congress are suggesting!

    What is coming across the Mexican border is just like a broken sewer pipe. The pipe (border) needs to be fixed FIRST before we take on the mess that spilled into this country. You cannot fix the problem as you let more sewage pour into the country. You need to build a "berlin-type" wall, stop this invasion FIRST and only then, go after the illegals in this country.

    As for Michael Savage, he is making more and more sense. Lanquage, culture and borders...the death of our country may be happening in our lifetime. What a shame! See what happens when you abandon core conservative principles and try to "reach out" to liberals?? You get sewage dumped on the LEGAL citizens of this country.
     
  9. craigG

    craigG New Member

    Good analogy, Midas.
     
  10. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    I don't know if you guys have been following the news concerning Mexico, but I think a revolution is distinctly possible. I have spent a fair bit of time in Mexico, and Mexico has had several minor peasant revolts in the past. Basically, Mexico consists of a rich land with a relatively few wealthy and powerful people and lots of dirt-poor people. When the United States finally closes the border, and we will, stand by. If and when they have yet another peasant revolt, it is likely to be bigger, better organized, and more bloody.

    The Mexican government is sort of funny. They don't do much to stop drugs and poor Mexicans from infiltrating into the USA. In fact, the Mexican military and police assist smugglers. However, Mexico undertakes brutal measures to protect their southern border.

    An American can't really buy property in Mexico. Mexico recently nationalized some American property in Mexico because the Mexican who sold it to the Americans was a crooked lawyer. If you lease land, which is commonly done, and purchase or build a house, you are generally not allowed to do the work yourself. You must hire Mexicans to do even routine maintenance and construction. In fact, an American is not allowed to bring a lot of things into Mexico, including building suppiles, metal detectors, and a lot of other stuff.

    The items that the Mexican government is most concerned about, and there is zero tollerance, is firearms. If you are caught with a personal weapon in your RV or vehicle, you WILL go to a Mexican prison. The government does not want their citizens to have weapons. Interestingly, not much has changed over the past 170 years. General Zachary Taylor and about 2,000 American soldiers captured Mexico City in the late 1830s at the end of the Mexican-American War. Mexico City had an estimated population of one million at the time! The American assault was successful because those who controlled Mexico at the time were more afraid of their own citizens than an invading American army. The general population of Mexico City had no weapons, and the governor would not give them weapons to fight the Americans.

    Many years ago, I worked in a village on the west coast of the Baja California peninsula called El Rosario, Baja California del Noerte. The government was having some difficulty supressing lobster poaching on the coast. The local Indians and Mexican peasants basically had no jobs, no hospitals, and not even paved roads in those days. One summer day as my National Geographic cohorts were driving to our work site, they observed three human heads staged along the shoulder of the road near San Vincente. It was the heads of three lobster pirates. That was the government's way of getting the attention of poachers.

    The matriarch of El Rosario was Anita Espinosa. Her family, and the family of her husband Heraculo, owned almost all the desert (ranch) land around the village of El Rosario. They were apparently some of the original Mexican pioneers in this region. Heraculo, and he was named appropriately, was actually an old Pala Indian. There were bullt holes in the walls of their single-story stucco house in town. Apparently, there had been gun-play during an earlier peasant revolt. Heraculo shot one of the peasants in the leg with his .38 pistol. You just hear very little about the violence and strife in Mexico.

    I have always been a maverick sort, someone who tends to resist or even mock authority figures, but in Mexico I never, ever, played mind-games with Mexican authorities. Few things make me more nervous than an uneducated Mexican soldier (teenager) with a locked and loaded M-16. They hate Americans anyway, so the combination of these factors makes such an allignment of conditions very serious indeed.

    I think Mexico will have a revolution similar to that which occured in Cuba in the late 1950s.
     
  11. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Great insight and thank you for sharing that with us.
    Kind of stuff that is rarely discussed or briefly touched upon in mainstreamed media.
    I like your comment about the uneducated soldier. For years the state department has listed Mexico as being unsafe to travel in, outside of the tourist sectors, but few people realize it from the beachs of Cancun, etc...
    Perhaps Mexico encourages illegals to enter our nation to keep thier nation from exploding into full scale revolt.
    Below is a new article about the 1994 revolt movement for those who know not of this.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1052429.stm
     
  12. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I wonder what a revolution in Mexico would mean for this country? More illegals or less? It certainly would change the debate on both sides of the border.
     
  13. craigG

    craigG New Member

    Definitely more, because a lot of people would flee from the violence, and come here.
    Hopefully, tho'; there will be a revolution there that will topple Vicente Fox, and his evil, corrupt, government.

    But, knowing Mexico, the new leaders would be exactly the same. That country has always been low on the totem pole, since Spain came over and slaughtered the Aztecs(if my history is correct).
     
  14. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    I doubt that the USA would tollerate an overtly hostile government to the south. I think that a revolutionary government might even be an improvement over a corrupt system that has survived for a hundred years. Mexico has a lot of pretty nice people, productive people, but they have a horrible government and a lot of violent criminals and dangerous locos.
     
  15. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    You're right. I lived in LA for 4 years and never met any Hispanic that wasn't a nice friendly citizen. I would welcome Mexican immigrants anytime they decide to come here legally. I know how difficult or just plain impossible it is to come to this country with no skills and nothing but economic desires. The real criminals are the employers that hire these workers at rock bottom wages so that they can make more money and skirt US employment laws. Nobody seems willing to take these people on and hold them accountable. They keep telling us that we’ll have to pay 5 dollars for a head of lettuce if they can’t hire illegals. That’s BS, I’ll quit eating lettuce if that’s all it will take to stop the flow of illegal aliens across our southern border. If there wasn't a market that employed these people, they'd stop coming in a hurry. Maybe then the poor of Mexico would hold their government responsible for the corruption and not flee northward and become our problem. Hola El Presidente Fox! Time to start solving your own problems.
     
  16. Danr

    Danr New Member

    Mexico is heating up, mucho social unrest. In the south there already is a revolution (a guy named Marcos runs it)
     

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