Republicans Sabotage, ObamaCare Succeeds

Of course it's an opinion piece captain obvious. What is less obvious is the facts you seem to dispute.

 

Why couldn't BO simply come up with a healthcare plan that was voluntary?

...and does anyone know the rules regarding adults up to 26 years of age remaining on their parents health insurance? Are there incomce stipulations? What if the "kid" has access to their own coverage? What if the kids have kids?

 

So he has done the same thing every news article Coin posted from FOX does, cool. Speculation is the name of the game with "News" about things that haven't actually happened yet.

 

Voluntary? I think you have something there. If you choose not to have health care, you should be allowed to die in the street. You should be able to wave all modern health care no matter what illness you come down with. I agree. But, what about the children that aren't quite as stupid as their inbred hick parents? Should it be voluntary for them too?
You can keep your adult children on your insurance until they turn 26. I know of no income stipulations. My 19-year old college student is still on my health insurance. Nobody asked about my income. I imagine that kids of adults on their parents health care policy must be covered by their own parents.
You really search for the outliers don't you.

 

Well it's obvious because the article contains no facts.

 

Your entire premise is predicated on the liberal narrative that people are too stupid to make their own decisions. Ya know, there could be choices available somewhere between Obamacare & dying on the street, right? I guess that wasn't part of the talking points though, was it?
As far as parents carrying their adult "children" on their policy, what about a 24 year old RN ($60k annual income & insurance available through her employer) being carried on Mom & Dad's policy?

 

When confronted with these Fox News articles do you proceed with skepticism?

 

You either didn't read the article and decided to disagree with it anyway, or you don't know what a fact is. I took one paragraph and picked out several facts that you can either dispute or agree with.

There are, however, millions of Americans who don’t receive insurance either from their employers or from government programs. They can get insurance only by buying it on their own, and many of them are effectively shut out of that market. In some states, like California, insurers reject applicants with past medical problems. In others, like New York, insurers can’t reject applicants, and must offer similar coverage regardless of personal medical history (“community rating”); unfortunately, this leads to a situation in which premiums are very high because only those with current health problems sign up, while healthy people take the risk of going uninsured.

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You make that fact that people are priced out of, excluded from, or simply don't have the means to obtain health insurance "their choice".

The system is broken and your solutions is??????? Keep it exactly the same?

 

Nope...I'm saying the folks who aren't "priced out of, excluded from, or simply don't have the means" should have the freedom to decide for themselves whether or not to join some gov't controlled insurance program. What could possibly be wrong with letting folks choose for themselves?

 

No, you ARE saying that we should give them the choice to not be covered at all and I agreed. You should be able to sign a waiver that says no matter what your medical condition might be, you do not have access to medical care if you opt out of the system we have. Think how many dumbass Republicans we'd eliminate. We agree apparently.

 

Think about how stupid your post sounds. You believe the people without access to healthcare now would opt out of healthcare once healthcare was made available to them? Really? Did you even read what you typed before hitting the "reply" key or did you simply paste someone else's words?

 

I believe Republicans like you would. Ideology over common sense sounds exactly like Republicans. You do know that I've agreed with you but you just can't accept it.

 

I do not even need to look that up. It was not "written by the same people that wrote Obamacare". Sebelius and the IRS are still writing it.

 

Oh, but we weren't talking ideology, were we? We were discussing folks who had no access to healthcare. I say make healthcare available but allow people who feel their healthcare is sufficient to opt out.
Now, your concerns are.....?

 

But it is. My company gave me the option of either staying with my current health care providers or going with Obamacare. Seems voluntary to me.

 

Fair enough. But, something is better than nothing, which is what we've had, well, forever. It's not like this issue is something that has just popped up in the last few years. We've had 200 years to refine this, yet politicians on both sides have pussyfooted around the issue fearing it may be too complex for their fragile administrations to handle. Then someone comes along and does it, and the people least effected by it are outraged. No law is perfect. But, to have the gumption to do something, even half-assed when it needed to be done when all the others before had refused, takes leadership and determination. But, I suppose thats wrong as well.

 

That's the craziest thing yet. If you have health care or medicare, you will not notice any changes. I'm not sure exactly what your complaint is. There is no government run health care system involved here. What Obamacare does is regulate the health insurance industry like the government regulates countless other things. You like to make yourself a moving target because you really don't have a leg to stand on in this debate. You keep talking about choice and freedom but the only freedom you want is freedom you already have.

 

Without arguing for or against, I just wanted to point out that all facts are merely a consensus of opinion.

 

So you are amongst the lucky. About 50% are loosing their current health care and you may still end up that way.