The Dismal GOP Primary

Discussion in 'Politics' started by kate, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    I thought my comment through. There were accusations of RWers being sheep. Just pointing out evidence, no matter the excuse, of LWers also being sheep. Sheep are sheep. Doesn't matter who the shepherd may be or where you graze.
     
  2. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I don't believe that it comes down to either side being sheep or followers less pejoratively. It comes down to which guy you are going to get behind that will give your side the best chance of winning. An incumbent, 4 years of experience in the job, a successful campaigner, a guy with scores of legislative successes... Why would the Left need to be classified as "sheep" to support this guy? Can you point out another Democrat that we seem to be ignoring?
     
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  3. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    So it is safe to say you are obediently on board with whoever the Democrats nominate?
     
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  4. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    If you want to characterize it that way for the sake of partisan points…meh!
     
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  5. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    You sure have moen pegged, that's for sure!
     
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  6. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    I am not out trying to score partisan points. Just found Takiji's post I originally responded to somewhat hypocritical is all.
     
  7. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    One might also say that it is hypocritical not to ask why after 4 years of failure from George W. Bush did RW'ers re-elect him to a second term but then turn around and question why Democrats don't pick another candidate to challenge Obama. Yeah, no shortage of hypocrites in these parts or just people that are just so dang partisan that they can't see the double standard they employ.
    Again, name the last time a party held a primary to unseat a sitting president from their own political party. I like Obama, he didn't do everything I wanted him to do in his first term, it could be argued easily that he lacked political experience at the highest levels, but, he has certainly impressed many with his "on the job" learning and a second term should rightfully scare the hell out of the Right. He is only getting better and better at making them look silly.
     
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  8. HollysMom

    HollysMom New Member

    Why does there need to be a "last time?" No matter what is done, there always needs to be a precedent-setting "first time." And you're right. Obama getting a second term scares the H--l out of me. If he can do this much damage to our way of life and to our rights without experience, I shudder to think what he can do with it.
     
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  9. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    From your perspective, I completely understand your opinions. But, why would anyone from the Left take your opinion into consideration and run out and primary their own leader simply because the Right isn't happy with what he is doing. As has been suggested, we must be sheep if we simply run Obama for a second term.

    I think the reality is more like the Right understanding the weakness of their own crop of misfits and at the same time realizing the strength that any incumbent brings to the process. So basically, we on the Left are being characterized as sheep for playing to our strengths while at the same time the Right is trying to characterizing themselves as more open-minded for participating in the inevitable and unavoidable process of a primary contest. Seems to me that someone is looking in a rose-colored mirror hoping to have their cake and eat it too. Sorry for the mixed metaphor.
     
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  10. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P


    It isn't because the "Right isn't happy with what he is doing". I believe it's because the Left is disenchanted with him (or sees now that he is not good for the country). You see, Obama is polling below a generic Republican:

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot

    If the liberals were smart, they'd put a candidate in that could win against a generic Republican.
     
  11. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I am neither worried about his chances of winning in 2012 or disenchanted with him. If I'm willing to risk him losing, you should be OK with it also.
     
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  12. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P

    His popularity has plummeted since 2008 and his chances of winning are not good. If you wish to see his liberal agenda continue, you should at least be concerned about his chances of winning. Granted, anything can happen between now and election day, but if his downward spiral continues the prospects of a Republican president being elected are looking brighter and brighter.
     
  13. HollysMom

    HollysMom New Member

    Well, in another case of Georgia struggling valiantly to make its way into a parallel universe, it appears that the issue of whether Obama is a natural born citizen or not is going to be heard there on January 26. The supporters of this court case seem to believe that they have a good chance of denying him eligibility on the ballot based on the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in the (1875) Minor vs Happersett case. Don't come down on me about it--it's not my state (thank Heaven) and I grudgingly admit that Obama is likely a U.S. citizen. Arizona and Tennessee (again, neither being my state thank Heaven) apparently have similar cases pending.

    Other news: Georgia haberdashers predict the decline in popularity for hat pins and cufflinks . . . the Iron Horse refused passage through Cobb County, GA due to fears of spreading the negative influence of city folk and undesirables . . . the bustle is on the way out in favor of a sleeker look for women.
     
  14. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I'm convinced that the "Birthers" will be their own political party one day. They are just that nuts. Their platform will be "No damn foreigners". Whatever!

    I do think Georgia is probably my favorite southern state. I like Atlanta and Athens but the rest of the state looks like a red clay mud hole in my opinion. I'm going to New Orleans next month so I get to partake of that southern hospitality—I mean get plastered while my wife is at a conference. Looking forward to that short flight to the warm down under states. :D

    Although it is easily 50 degrees here today in "January." We may be the next sunbelt state if this continues. :eek:
     
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  15. HollysMom

    HollysMom New Member

    I went to school in Georgia. I really enjoyed Kennesaw Mountain State Park and Stone Mountain. The food was *meh* although I could get some good boiled peanuts kind of close to where I lived. Are you going to NOLA during Carnival? If you are, I recommend getting a money belt if you think you'll look like a tourist. And the Hurricanes. After all--what's New Orleans without a hurricane? :p
     
  16. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    We arrive just after Marti Gras. Sticking around for my son's birthday else we'd go for the festivities. A couple of other spouses and I plan to eat, drink and be merry while our other halves attend boring seminars. Life is good! All my conferences seem to be in cold places this year. :oops:

    We camped at Stone Mountain once and it was an interesting experience. The laser show on the side of the monument was cool. You get the idea that old Stonewall and the boys won the Civil War. But I have to say that I really liked the people we met. They couldn't have been nicer as long as you didn't bring up politics. And we didn't.
     
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  17. HollysMom

    HollysMom New Member

    I was singing with my university chorus as an elective when we were invited to perform at Stone Mountain during one of the Christmas laser shows. My mother, my brother, my husband, and I spent the day of the concert at the park, hiking and taking in the attractions. I still have a great picture of my mother and my husband playing checkers on the porch in the warm December weather.

    Sorry that you're missing Mardi Gras. If you were there for February 10, I would have told you to check out the Krewe of Excalibur parade. I used to ride with that krewe.
     
  18. CoinOKC
    Fiendish

    CoinOKC T R U M P


    At least I like these people better than Obama:
    Three Democrats Challenging President Obama for the Nomination

    January 13, 2012
    With all of the focus of the 2012 presidential election firmly, and rightfully, placed on the Republican Party's nomination process, most probably believe President Barack Obama is running unopposed as the Democratic Party's candidate. Technically, at least, that is untrue.

    While these three candidates may have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than winning the Democratic nomination--and that is not an exaggeration, they do have a much better chance of getting struck by lightning--let's take a look at three of the Democrats who have decided to challenge the president in 2012:

    * Darcy Richardson -- A former insurance specialist and progressive Democratic activist from Pennsylvania, Richardson is the author of a multi-volume history of third-party politics in the United States. He has never held public office before but, as Richardson states on his official campaign website, he was compelled to campaign for president because he has been "disappointed by President Obama's abandonment of many of the progressive values that he articulated so eloquently -- and passionately -- during the 2008 presidential campaign…" Richardson finished in ninth place in New Hampshire's Democratic primary with 264 votes.

    * Randall Terry -- A pro-life Democratic from New York, Terry was arrested at Notre Dame in 2009 for protesting a commencement speech by pro-choice President Obama. Terry's sole purpose for running against Obama seems to be so that he can attack him for his pro-choice stance. He also strongly favors the legalization of marijuana, establishing a national sales tax, and the expansion of oil drilling, a diverse mixture of positions for sure. Terry had a better finish than Richardson in New Hampshire coming away with 442 votes, a full one percent of the total.

    * Vermin Love Supreme -- A performance artist and anarchist who claims to be "the only bona-fide American presidential candidate to actually donate a living organ." Supreme favors colorful and odd outfits and also claims to be the only candidate who supports funding time travel research in order to go back to kill Hitler before he was born. According to his website, he also believes that brushing one's teeth should be mandatory. Perhaps this eclectic platform helped Supreme beat both Richardson and Terry in New Hampshire. Once all of the votes were counted he carried the day among all three challengers with 833 votes.
     
  19. IQless1
    Blah

    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    Some have Takiji. Some have expressed support for Paul, Bachman, and even Perry.
     
  20. IQless1
    Blah

    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    The idea that you personally believe Obama is a flop would be more than enough reason for me to consider voting for him, but it's unnecessary for me to wait around for you to have an opinion about something before I form my own. Obama is by far the best President we could have given the unbelievable damage the previous President did to the nation, and the World. Why in the World would I want anyone else?
     
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