The Quentin Factor

Discussion in 'Politics' started by glaciermi, Nov 18, 2005.

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Would you give up your child or grandchild for the war in the middle east?

Poll closed Dec 18, 2005.
  1. Yes, the cause is important, and is worth the sacrifice

    5 vote(s)
    27.8%
  2. No, the sacrifice is too great, and cause too uncertain

    13 vote(s)
    72.2%
  1. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    For the last 7 days there has been a rash of horrible car bombings around Iraq. Look at their targets... Funeral processions, Mosques and public areas. It seems they are more intent on killing innocent men, women and children than military targets. Now that's LOVE!! How can you not hate a religion that targets and intentionally walks into a room filled with children and detonates a bomb!! Remember when the Iraqi military used human shields and set up military installments in mosques, schools and hospitals. It is evident that these Muslims don't give a rats ass about their own people but yet we hear they believe in "love" and "peace"?
     
  2. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    It isn't the "religion" walking into the room. If you have to label it something other than what it really is, a misguided fanatic, you should probably label it as an ideology walking into a room. The ideology that is behind a suicide bomber isn't something that is ever going to be defeated with military weapons. You guys keep preaching kill, kill, kill without any regard for the innocent Iraqis in some hope that we will be safer if we just kill all Muslims. How is that any different than the ideology that the suicide bomber is following? You guys also claim that all of us "liberals" just want to understand these people but if military might will not stop them, then it is only through understanding their motives that we can ever hope to end the violence. Your reactions are so knee-jerk that they only exacerbate an already bad situation. And what really galls me is that you do it while wrapped in my flag.
    I've yet to meet anyone on this forum that is for the violence and killing, yet you guys routinely equate any opinion that isn't a violent reaction to the terrorist as supporting them. Several of you "non-liberals" have even proudly affirmed your bigotry with pride and some weird form of American patriotism. There isn’t really a big difference between their extremists and ours except that theirs are out there acting on their beliefs and ours are sitting behind computer terminals with clean hands reliving past glories through today’s real heroes, the men an women serving in Iraq.
    On an intellectual level, you guys are just a bunch of short-sighted, narrow-minded, right-wing extremists with no real answers to complicated problems that don’t involve shooting everyone that happens to be a Muslim. On a gut level, you sort make me sick!
    Have a nice Thanksgiving.
     
  3. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    You are just SO confused there guy. It is NOT us guys that are killing the innocent Iraqis. Haven't you been reading or watching the news? You seem to be the one that continually puts words into our mouths to make us appear evil while supporting the Muslims motives. You need to get over your constant hating and bashing of American patriots and realize who the real enemy is and who IS doing the killing! I don't recall setting off a bomb in a room filled with women and children lately. I go to church to worship, not blow it up. But you continue to call us the killers or should I say preachers. Jealousy is a terrible thing and you need to get over it.
    And you TELL me what possible motives a civilized human being would have to kill women and children in such a cold-blooded manner. What possible motive would someone have to even conceive such a deed and then carry it out?? That's the religion you want us to trust! I can't believe you actually SUPPORT such monsters and their motives. Or should I just say that you "understand" their motives. Thank you, you have pretty much proven to everyone who the real monster is here and it's not us flag wrapped radicals. Don't worry, we aren't wrapped in YOUR flag, we wrap ourselves in the American flag!!
    Supporting them? Don't you mean "understand their motives"?
    That's ok there guy, I "understand your motive" for not being patriotic.
    Once again you emphasis that you support their "blood-shedding, murdering of innocents" belief over proud old American patriots sitting behind a computer. Also remember that those patriotic men and women serving in Iraq will someday be the proud veterans reliving past glories while sitting behind their computers. You will probably hate them too when that time comes because it is obvious how you feel about past veterans.
    Thank you I will. Too bad I can't wish the same on you, Muslims don't celebrate Thanksgiving. Good thing they don't, they'd probably put a bomb in the turkey and wipe out another family. Dang, there I go again, not understanding their motive!
     
  4. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    I dated a Quaker once. She worked as a teacher at the Friends school located at the old Peter Stuyvesant farm location now Stuyvesant park in the east 20's in Manhattan.
    She sure enjoyed and appreciated the value of my life. :)


    Oh, by the way. Didn't you noticed that the World Trade Buildings are missing and haven't you read, really read, the posts on active terrorist activity that the muslims have done in our nation and genocide around the world under the jihad flag and chants of Allah is great, or Allah is god. that Midas, Quickdog, OldDan, Bonedigger, Steve...and others have taken the time to type.

    It is funny that you protect with words those who wish us dead and then attack with words those who point that out.

    This isn't about politics. It is about survival.

    And I wish that the far left, stopped calling themselves liberals, all they do is give liberals a bad name.
    and that was not a political statement since the far left is aiding and abetting the enemy.
     
  5. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    Well said, well said.

    Bone
     
  6. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    You make my case for me, but it's Thanksgiving and I just can't dignify your stupidity with a response right now. What would be the point?
     
  7. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    I couldn't resist. :)
     
  8. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Once again an avoidance of the issue and the response is to attack the person who dares to disagree.

    Typical leftist facist tactics and yes I typed that correctly,
    for the far right and the far left meet at the same place and form a circle of sameness.
     
  9. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    Perfected by the Republican.
     
  10. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    Tell the truth. It's just hard too get up when the whole family is there crammed under your table with you. Good thing your flag is white, it can double as the Thanksgiving tablecloth.
     
  11. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    You know Moen, I've listened to your moronic rhetoric over the past few threads and have gleaned a few bits of information.

    #1. Your mentally unbalanced.
    #2. You frequently know nothing about what you speak.
    #3. Have no friends.
    #4. You've never had much luck at anything.
    #5. Are a compulsive liar.
    #6. Think Time-Out" is too harsh of a punishment for kids.
    #7. And are considered by your coworkers to be the "WEAK LINK" when it comes to getting anything done.
    #8. Have NEVER served your country in an honorable capacity.

    Bone
     
  12. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    Hey Bone, you forgot....

    #9. Supports (or as he words it, "understands") terrorists motives and beliefs.
     
  13. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Ever so slightly off topic here but what is a Leftist Facist!!! I have come across many creatures in my travels but this is a new one on me LOL
    And come on Guy's lets be quite honest here we are advocating Genocide against the Muslim Race lets not beat about the bush :cool: I am a firm beliver in the best defence is offence.
    Moen I totaly respect your views mate I might not entierly agree with them but you stick to your guns :bow: one thing I will say is that this war uses Religion as a shield the real issue here is power.
    We can not win this war until the politicians realise that countries like Saudi are not our friends :hammer: hell Sadam would have made a better friend than that lot in Rhyiad at least he was honest about wanting to rule the world :rolling:

    De Orc :p :goofer: :secret:
     
  14. Midas

    Midas New Member

    I am thankful that there are young men and women at this moment fighting overseas against these islamic animals.

    I am thankful that I can sit down today to Thanksgiving dinner without the fear that some muslim radical will park his car outside of my home and blow themself up for allah.

    I am thankful for patriotic Americans like Andy, Old Dan, Bonedigger, Steve E., and others who have the mind set to call a terrorist a terrorist, and who understand that the best way to deal with these animals is to "shoot them in the belly" (as per Patton).

    I am thankful to live in a country that allows us to post our views about the war and the government without the fear of being hauled off to jail.

    As the Korean War Memeorial in D.C. states, "Freedom is NOT Free", I understand that blood has been spilled to give us all ofthe freedoms we enjoy today. Unfortunately, there many here in the forum that believe there isn't a price if we just sit down and "reach out" to our enemies.

    God Bless these United States and God Bless our Troops. Opps, I said God and heaven forbid I asked him or some devine power to look out for this country and our troops. I am sure some ACLU bleeding heart is beating out of control right now.
     
  15. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    So your saying we shouldn't like or trust Muslims??? Isn't that what we've been saying all along?:)
     
  16. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    UM and I dont belive that I have said any different previously??

    De Orc :kewl:

    Ps and no I am not saying that you shoudnt like or trust a muslim I personaly do both on a dialy basis, as I find there is no point in been rude to someone just because of what they are. What I am saying however is if you want to win the war be bloody ruthless and stop all this sh*ite about rules of engagement etc.
     
  17. Steve E

    Steve E New Member

    SHOW NO MERCY!!! :eek:
     
  18. Moen1305

    Moen1305 Not Republican!

    You sure know a lot for being so damn stupid Bone Head.
     
  19. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger Another Wandering Celt

    Whatever...
     
  20. quick dog

    quick dog New Member

    The Saudis are certainly not the finest examples of manhood on the planet, but they have murdered far fewer people than Saddam Hussein. They are mostly just arrogant and greedy. It is easy to make such comparisons, but I try to avoid it.

    When one of his many advisaries attempt to compare G.W. Bush with Adolph Hitler, or the United States with Nazi Germany, it diminished the standards of evil established by Herr Hitler and the Third reich. Similarly, it is improper to state that the Saudis may be worse than Saddam. It makes flamboyant rhetoric, but is clearly errant hyperbole. Saddam is probably amongst the top ten of modern tyrants and systematic killers.

    The Saudis will eventually get what they deserve, or they will make major changes and perhaps survive.

    A "leftist fascist"? Maybe that is a communist?
     

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