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Absolutely. Even if he was scaring them, if a person was killed because they were scared I believe they'd both feel immense guilt over what happened.

 

Vigilante homicide? . . . There are no witnesses, and he's certainly not convicted of that.

Let's face it, GW . . . you're not in the mainstream . . . you're in the Exstream.

 

Just in case you all haven't. Stare in the face what you're condoning. Watch onlookers warn that he's going to die. Watch him go limp. He got this fate for being "scary" to passengers. Unbelievable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/n...enny-holds-Jordan-Neely-chokehold-subway.html

 

Who's condoning what happened? It's a shame, GW. Still, I think Penny handled himself well.

If Neely was a white man, this story wouldn't be newsworthy. This case is all about fanning the flames of racism, not putting them out.

You should be the one looking in the mirror . . .

 

Anyone calling Penny a hero

 

Soldiers going off to war and coming back heroes have killed others too . . .

 

Gee, I am sure the dead guys' family regrets his actions and his non-social activity and their lack of guidance and care that the family neglected to provide to make certain he received medical care for his mental illness and illegal drug use, and to alert the proper authorities to guide the family to help their family member.

Oh well, he is dead...there is only one thing for the family to do, and that is take a shot at enriching the family by filing civil lawsuits in as many jurisdictions as possible against the acquitted accused for wrongful death, and the local and State and Federal government and the law enforcement departments that did not protect their dear precious family member, and for loss of family income by curtailing the budding career of their beloved family member who had a promising future as a Michael Jackson impersonator.

What a sad occurrence during this Christmas Season......

 

So how far down the road of misbehavior are we expected to tolerate before we react? There was a case not so very long ago during the BLM riots as I recall. Chaos was underway and the police responded. A rioter pointed a vaping machine at a cop. The business end of a vaping machine by all appearances looks like the barrel of a handgun. The cop shot him dead. Heck, I would have shot him dead. Do we pity the poor rioter because he was stupid enough to point an instrument at a cop that by all appearances could have been a handgun? Are we expected to wait until a dangerous situation turns into harm of an innocent before we react? Is this what we have devolved into??

 

It's not necessarily the reacting I take issue with, it's the justifying immediate escalation to lethal force.

That escalation has repeatedly led to the harm and death of innocents. Does that not bother you too?

 

Are you implying that Neely was innocent of any wrongdoing?

 

I don't think he did anything deserving of assault and death

 

Not as much as underwriting bad and unlawful behavior.

 

Did Neely break any laws? If so, what might they be?

 

Well, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

You will agree once you have children of your own.

 

I doubt that Penny intended to use lethal force against Neely. Certainly, a jury agreed that Penny was justified in the force that was used. A pathologist testified that there were other contributing factors that led to the death other than the compression on the neck. Probably the drugs led to the psychotic, threatening behavior and contributed to his death, IMO. Even if the compression on the neck was the ONLY contributing factor that led to his death, there are reasons for justifiable homicide. Mr. Penny attempted to restrain Neely from acting on his threats and harming people which is, certainly, a reason for justifiable homicide.

It's always a sad thing when people die, but the blame must be placed squarely on the individual who chose to take drugs, act erratically and threaten to kill people, not on the person who attempted to keep harm from being done.

 

Had Ben been kind enough to answer my direct questions, this is the exact path I was going down. You put it much more eloquently than I would have. I would have put it much more bluntly and likely offended someone reading it.

 

I can assure you that he didn't intend on lethal force. I was in the military and they train much more efficient methods of lethal force. The method Penny used was absolutely and 100% a method the armed forces are trained in to detain. I was trained in it when our missile sites were being protested by German nationals in the late 1970's-early 1980's. It only became lethal when Neely's drug impaired system was unable to take it.

 

No.

Innocent?

Jesus, Clown.

 

I doubt it.

The lifelong lesson I learned....and learned... and learned... and LEARNED AT Mackall is simple:

In a situation of escalating physical threat, kill or die.